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Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:09:57 +0100
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To: Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] who can vote
From: hannes.magnusson@gmail.com (Hannes Magnusson)

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:39, Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf <rasmus@lerdorf.com> wro=
te:
>> On 11/10/2011 12:36 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
>>> The last example of such a case is the SplClassLoader, the gap between
>>> our communities and us is getting even larger. I think it is time to
>>> consider their views and voices, especially as we get new contributors
>>> (you know, the people actually doing the job?).
>>
>> But many of the objections to SplClassLoader are coming from non-core
>> people. The "community" isn't a single voice as has been
>> well-illustrated by the SplClassLoader discussion. When there is shaky
>> community consensus on something, we either need to pick a side and go
>> with it, or wait a bit and see if it sorts itself out.
>
> It is a single voice in this case, and the disagreement I have seen
> are not about what is about to be added. And if there are more about
> PSR-0, then they should bring them to the PSR discussions and get them
> fixed and approved for the next version.
>
> But right now, PSR-0 has been approved by a waste majority of
> frameworks and projects and is going to be even larger with the next
> major version of projects like Drupal, which will adopt it =C2=A0while
> relying on a common set of components.

When the concerns about that "standard" were raised originally they
got ignored and eventually few people moved away from the open process
where people could voice issues to a forum were only people that
echoed eachothers +1 were able to participate.
After the agreement was finalized more people got the chance to join
in, but that hardly served any purpose as there already was agreement.
Your "approved vast majority of framworks and projects" argument is
therefore bogus. They never approved anything, they really just got it
stuffed down their throat.

When you say that they can fixed outstanding issues in their updated
"standard", how should the SplClassLoader accommodate that standard?
SplClassLoadV2?


In any case, no matter how much I disagree with the politics around
that document, we are voting on the RFC, not that "standard".

-Hannes