Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:56221 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 65212 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2011 10:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Nov 2011 10:01:00 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@sugarcrm.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@sugarcrm.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain sugarcrm.com designates 67.192.241.153 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 67.192.241.153 smtp153.dfw.emailsrvr.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [67.192.241.153] ([67.192.241.153:39273] helo=smtp153.dfw.emailsrvr.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id EB/75-21183-AD0ABBE4 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 05:01:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 06BEE58CA3; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 05:00:56 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp5.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: smalyshev-AT-sugarcrm.com) with ESMTPSA id 8940C58E95; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 05:00:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4EBBA0D6.9060809@sugarcrm.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 02:00:54 -0800 Organization: SugarCRM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pierre Joye CC: "internals@lists.php.net" References: <-4079824451837834664@unknownmsgid> <4EBB7A7B.9030303@sugarcrm.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] SplClassLoader RFC Voting phase From: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com (Stas Malyshev) Hi! > But blocking the only thing so many PHP projects have ever agreed on > is a major mistake. And it is a political and religious choice > (religious as in "php does not enforce standard"). Even for something > that does not enforce anything if not used. Nobody's blocking anything. I don't understand how not having particular class loader implemented in C and released with PHP source - which would not be useful for frameworks anyway for a pretty long time because they would have to support 5.3 for years - is "blocking" anything. Right now I personally am not sure this belongs in C code at all - I'd much rather have standard-library type component in PHP, which is much easier to reuse and maintain compatibility and upgrade. That's only my opinion though... > And as far as I can see, the RFC is approved as of now. It's 19:17 and the vote is not even closed - that's what we are calling consensus now? because it looks like exactly what I was afraid of when we discussed voting starts to happen - the "I have 50%+1, I won, anyone who doesn't like it can shut up" phenomenon, which can't be healthy. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/ (408)454-6900 ext. 227