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Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:52:43 +0100
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To: Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] SplClassLoader RFC Voting phase
From: tyra3l@gmail.com (Ferenc Kovacs)

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On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com> wrote:

> hi Stas,
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Stas Malyshev <smalyshev@sugarcrm.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> >> This attitude only makes me lose a lot of time answering questions
> >> instead of focusing on actual RFC stability. I want to propose
> >> something stable, I do not want to be pressured about should the RFC
> >> exist or not. It only delays the real voting results. What I can do to
> >> address this?
> >
> > I would concentrate on cleaning up RFC and bringing it to some state
> that is
> > stable and that has some consensus behind it. Right now I see many peop=
le
> > are against it. So I would address the concerns raised (provided it's
> > possible), refine all unclear points and then maybe try again.
>
> The RFC is actually clean and implements PSR-0, it has been discussed
> and approved by many PHP frameworks or projects. We are hiding
> ourselves in the sand if we don't see that. Arguing about PSR-0 is
> fine but that's not the place to do it. And as PSR-0 is already
> approved, poeple with issues should bring them in the PSR-0 discussion
> channel, for the next version of PSR.
>
> But blocking the only thing so many PHP projects have ever agreed on
> is a major mistake. And it is a political and religious choice
> (religious as in "php does not enforce standard"). Even for something
> that does not enforce anything if not used.
>
> And as far as I can see, the RFC is approved as of now.


So if the wast majority of the community would use/depend on features like
magic_quotes or safe_mode, the that justifies adding/keeping those features
even though if from the technically point of view they are flawed?
I'm just playing the Devil's advocate here.
Btw: when will we close the votes? I didn't had time to catch up with the
changes in the RFC, so my vote is based on an earlier version, I would like
to re-read and if the previous concerns are resolved I would like to change
my vote, so it would be good to know in advance when will we close the
voting.

thanks

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