Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:56219 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 60469 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2011 09:39:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Nov 2011 09:39:13 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pierre.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pierre.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.213.42 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.213.42 mail-yw0-f42.google.com Received: from [209.85.213.42] ([209.85.213.42:46323] helo=mail-yw0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 6C/84-21183-0CB9BBE4 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 04:39:13 -0500 Received: by ywm19 with SMTP id 19so1101525ywm.29 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:39:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=XZimrPyJCiIGwGChqCfILY5rEm3ykiS7bnF/WNdB/lE=; b=IWkGupRURfYYk9c9Ik7XH2TlXJ0338QLdS/itguDzTT8v8qjJeukdGxTm8lXMUE6jD Ri0G3/yKbkdmLXOyhJJFt0m2yLN9cLrJYxHiCAJryX/MmgSFFhVgFpgRhTL3jgdPYZtN /5OpLXvMjfUwYfAHQzKfOWbcbalJBjoLd5w3Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.147.166.17 with SMTP id t17mr2911991yao.28.1320917949583; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:39:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.147.113.15 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:39:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4EBB9A39.9080004@lerdorf.com> References: <4EBADCE4.9030702@sugarcrm.com> <4EBAF5D8.40608@sugarcrm.com> <4EBB7967.1070006@sugarcrm.com> <4EBB9A39.9080004@lerdorf.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:39:09 +0100 Message-ID: To: Rasmus Lerdorf Cc: Stas Malyshev , "guilhermeblanco@gmail.com" , PHP Internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] who can vote From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye) On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > On 11/10/2011 12:36 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: >> The last example of such a case is the SplClassLoader, the gap between >> our communities and us is getting even larger. I think it is time to >> consider their views and voices, especially as we get new contributors >> (you know, the people actually doing the job?). > > But many of the objections to SplClassLoader are coming from non-core > people. The "community" isn't a single voice as has been > well-illustrated by the SplClassLoader discussion. When there is shaky > community consensus on something, we either need to pick a side and go > with it, or wait a bit and see if it sorts itself out. It is a single voice in this case, and the disagreement I have seen are not about what is about to be added. And if there are more about PSR-0, then they should bring them to the PSR discussions and get them fixed and approved for the next version. But right now, PSR-0 has been approved by a waste majority of frameworks and projects and is going to be even larger with the next major version of projects like Drupal, which will adopt it while relying on a common set of components. -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org