Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:56217 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 58340 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2011 09:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Nov 2011 09:32:48 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rasmus@lerdorf.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rasmus@lerdorf.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lerdorf.com from 209.85.210.44 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rasmus@lerdorf.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.210.44 mail-pz0-f44.google.com Received: from [209.85.210.44] ([209.85.210.44:46982] helo=mail-pz0-f44.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id CF/14-21183-E3A9BBE4 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 04:32:48 -0500 Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33so3080777pzk.3 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:32:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.31.129 with SMTP id a1mr12811999pbi.131.1320917563942; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:32:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.200.5] (c-50-131-44-225.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [50.131.44.225]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n4sm5897121pbo.10.2011.11.10.01.32.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:32:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4EBB9A39.9080004@lerdorf.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:32:41 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pierre Joye CC: Stas Malyshev , "guilhermeblanco@gmail.com" , PHP Internals References: <4EBADCE4.9030702@sugarcrm.com> <4EBAF5D8.40608@sugarcrm.com> <4EBB7967.1070006@sugarcrm.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] who can vote From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) On 11/10/2011 12:36 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: > The last example of such a case is the SplClassLoader, the gap between > our communities and us is getting even larger. I think it is time to > consider their views and voices, especially as we get new contributors > (you know, the people actually doing the job?). But many of the objections to SplClassLoader are coming from non-core people. The "community" isn't a single voice as has been well-illustrated by the SplClassLoader discussion. When there is shaky community consensus on something, we either need to pick a side and go with it, or wait a bit and see if it sorts itself out. -Rasmus