Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:56138 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 91859 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2011 03:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Nov 2011 03:29:53 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rasmus@lerdorf.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rasmus@lerdorf.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lerdorf.com from 209.85.210.44 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rasmus@lerdorf.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.210.44 mail-pz0-f44.google.com Received: from [209.85.210.44] ([209.85.210.44:46891] helo=mail-pz0-f44.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 78/11-17624-132A8BE4 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 22:29:53 -0500 Received: by pzk32 with SMTP id 32so299102pzk.3 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:29:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.52.134 with SMTP id t6mr4245575pbo.96.1320722989985; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:29:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.200.5] (c-50-131-44-225.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [50.131.44.225]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jm5sm886709pbc.1.2011.11.07.19.29.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:29:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4EB8A22B.8000607@lerdorf.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:29:47 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Garfield CC: internals@lists.php.net References: <4EB81703.7030605@hoa-project.net> <4EB81C84.8010609@hoa-project.net> <4EB820BB.2030009@lsces.co.uk> <4EB822D4.4060306@hoa-project.net> <4EB89C36.5000503@garfieldtech.com> In-Reply-To: <4EB89C36.5000503@garfieldtech.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] SplClassLoader RFC Voting phase From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) On 11/07/2011 07:04 PM, Larry Garfield wrote: > If anything, the low degree of communication between "people who write > PHP" and "people who write in PHP" is, and has long been, one of PHP's > great weaknesses. I think this entire thread has shown that very well. > That is something that needs to be addressed, just as much as > inter-framework communication does. Perhaps moreso. This is the second time someone has alluded to that. I don't see a single core PHP developer weighing in on this thread in the way you describe. All I see are various framework folks disagreeing with each other. -Rasmus