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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] SplClassLoader RFC Voting phase
From: larry@garfieldtech.com (Larry Garfield)

On 11/07/2011 01:42 PM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Ivan Enderlin @ Hoa<
> ivan.enderlin@hoa-project.net>  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 07/11/11 19:17, Lester Caine wrote:
>>
>>> guilhermeblanco@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> To participate of php-standards group, feel free to join here:
>>>> http://groups.google.com/**group/php-standards<http://groups.google.com/group/php-standards>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not while it's not a php list ...
>>>
>>>   +1. It would be great if PHP could host this mailing-list. It would be
>> an act of kindness ;-).
>
>
> The group decided to take off from php.net AFAIK:
> http://greg.chiaraquartet.net/another-200

The standards group was originally on php.net, and moved off when it was 
basically thrown off for declaring that they were the self-appointed 
dictators of what was Correct PHP(tm).  After backing down from that, 
and it was concluded that the group was not an "official PHP" anything, 
it was determined that they therefore should not be on php.net.  There 
was a lot of drama around that whole PR fiasco.

Since then the group was basically silent for a year and a half, but has 
recently started to inch back to life and discuss what to do moving 
forward, and opened the list to public membership.  I still think it 
should remain off-PHP, because it is *not* an official PHP Group blessed 
committee, but that doesn't mean core devs should not be involved.

If anything, the low degree of communication between "people who write 
PHP" and "people who write in PHP" is, and has long been, one of PHP's 
great weaknesses.  I think this entire thread has shown that very well. 
  That is something that needs to be addressed, just as much as 
inter-framework communication does.  Perhaps moreso.

--Larry Garfield