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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:23:33 -0500
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To: Lester Caine <lester@lsces.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] SplClassLoader RFC Voting phase
From: ircmaxell@gmail.com (Anthony Ferrara)

Well, with respect to that, are there any examples of where PHP
currently "reserves the namespace"?  I can declare functions/classes
for every single disablable/PECL extension right now.  So is there
even a method to "reserve a namespace", yet alone enforce that in
core?

And with respect to the re-compile, what usually happens is that the
windows builds ship with DLLs of the compiled extensions.  So it's not
a "part of the core compile", but an extension that can be enabled via
php.ini (as is currently working with apc, mbstring, mysql, mysqli,
etc).

Anthony

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Lester Caine <lester@lsces.co.uk> wrote:
> Anthony Ferrara wrote:
>>
>> Lester,
>>
>> I think he was referring to something like the MySQL/bcmath/etc
>> extension where it ships in core, but is disabled by default (requires
>> a compile-time option).
>>
>> I think what you interpreted it as is basically just what PECL is for
>> and how it works? =A0Considering that it would basically be just `pecl
>> install PSRClassLoader`? =A0And at that point there's no reason for
>> anything in the core (even reserving a namespace). =A0That's how other
>> extensions (even popular ones like apc) work now...
>>
>> Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean...?
>
> Actually the "reserve the namespace" is probably the important piece of t=
he
> jigsaw?
> Also while Linux 'installs' can easily 'recompile', windows builds are
> necessarily pre-compiled, so what is compiled in and what is available vi=
a
> an extension becomes more important.
>
>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Lester Caine<lester@lsces.co.uk> =A0wro=
te:
>>>
>>> Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1- The same as you wrote. Having it in SPL and in PHP 5.4
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =A02- Have it in PHP 5.4 as an external extension (FIG, PSR or PSG),
>>>>>> =A0enabled by default.
>>>>>> =A03- As an external extension, disabled by default. This would requ=
ire
>>>>>> =A0PHP core to reserve the namespace for us.
>>>>
>>>> =A0You are missing 4: not have it at all (which would get my +1).
>>>
>>> 3 would be acceptable if external extensions were downloaded separately
>>> to
>>> the core distribution ... but I suppose that IS 4 ;)
>>> Isn't it about time we considered a better distribution model for
>>> additions
>>> like this?
>
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