Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:55902 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 47665 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2011 15:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Oct 2011 15:31:41 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=gwynne@darkrainfall.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=gwynne@darkrainfall.org; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain darkrainfall.org from 209.85.214.42 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: gwynne@darkrainfall.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.214.42 mail-bw0-f42.google.com Received: from [209.85.214.42] ([209.85.214.42:64995] helo=mail-bw0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 9D/61-39053-BD1E2AE4 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:31:40 -0400 Received: by bkbzv15 with SMTP id zv15so6312724bkb.29 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 08:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.81.196 with SMTP id y4mr31904249fak.6.1319297496382; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 08:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f42.google.com (mail-bw0-f42.google.com [209.85.214.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y8sm29598714faj.10.2011.10.22.08.31.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 22 Oct 2011 08:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bkbzv15 with SMTP id zv15so6312685bkb.29 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 08:31:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.14.3 with SMTP id e3mr29280984faa.25.1319297494902; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 08:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.105.83 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 08:31:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1319295753.1520.0.camel@guybrush> References: <1319230096-sup-4515@fewbar.com> <4EA2D317.7000806@lsces.co.uk> <1319295753.1520.0.camel@guybrush> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:31:34 -0400 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Johannes_Schl=C3=BCter?= Cc: Pierre Joye , Lester Caine , internals , Clint Byrum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.9 and is_a changes From: gwynne@darkrainfall.org (Gwynne Raskind) 2011/10/22 Johannes Schl=C3=BCter : >> > There is also a lot to be said for going with what is known to be stab= le for >> > an LTS release. >> Please do not begin with this discussion again. It is confusing for >> the readers and totally unrelated. There is no LTS in the release >> process RFC but every release has a fixed lifetime. > This discussion is about Ubuntu LTS. So 5.4 might be a valid choice for > them. If we can get a 5.4 they're reasonably comfortable with out in time, I'd argue very strongly for its inclusion. We've already got 5.4 in beta. I don't think it's crazy to think we'd have a 5.4.0 in plenty of time to let them do plenty of testing. We're talking about locking a major vendor into a major version for -five- years, not Ubuntu's usual three. 5.4 will give them a head start versus what would otherwise be starting already out of date - by the time Ubuntu 12.04 is officially released, they'd be behind with 5.3. My understanding of LTS is not that it's a total freeze, but that they support it for bug fix updates and such. So we could expect 5.4.x releases to get in (or be backported/cherry-picked) if they had important fixes, as long as we don't have another is_a() snafu. -- Gwynne