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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Version control
From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine)

Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Lester Caine<lester@lsces.co.uk>  wrote:
>> Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
>>>
>>> "on the rather one sided discussion on DVCS"
>>> I disagree with that part of your comment.
>>
>> More people are already using git and are not open to changing so the
>> discussion was rather one sided. :( Today that is probably the right choice
>> and does not bother me since hg just works transparently with a git repo
>> anyway.
>>
>> Neither git or hg are a complete answer and while I am currently using the
>> php code base via the hg mirror, switching to a git alternative is not a
>> problem, but the next step is making the rest of the infrastructure work
>> with things. Veracity is looking at the infrastructure problem but is
>> probably some years away from offering an alternative complete package. The
>> book outlines a number of points which provide a balanced view of the
>> remaining problems and certainly clarified a number of the differences
>> between options for me. Something that did not come to light during our own
>> 'discussion'.
>
> I think the only problem that prevented an even better conversation
> was that somebody started arguing by gut and when was confronted with
> reasonable arguments then just kept changing the topic.
> Do you know how am I talking about? I personally felt really hard to
> reply some of your mails in that thread without being rude.
> So while I'm agree that switching DVCS requires careful planning and
> implementation, but accusing people for being one sided for git when
> many of them expressed that they personally favor hg(even the person
> who wrote the rfc, and started the whole discussion) seems unjustified
> for me.
> Maybe they are trying to see not just their own preferences but the
> php ecosystem as whole, and not trying to force their own ideals to
> others?
> I don't know, but maybe that could be a hint for you.

All I will say is read Chapter 13 of the book ...
My own development practices tick most of the boxes, but not all, and some of 
the points would be a useful start to an implementation plan.

( And git still does not run on a number of my customer sites because of local 
rules on some of the methods used by their installer! )

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