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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:41:58 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: is_a() - again - a better fix
From: johannes@schlueters.de (Johannes =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Schl=FCter?=)

On Fri, 2011-09-23 at 12:15 -0400, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote:
> On 2011-09-23, Rasmus Lerdorf <rasmus@lerdorf.com> wrote:
> > On 09/23/2011 12:13 PM, Patrick ALLAERT wrote:
> > > 2011/9/23 Rasmus Lerdorf <rasmus@lerdorf.com>
> > > > 2. Maybe we should think bigger and put more focus on having large PHP
> > > >   frameworks and apps test every RC. Currently we notify them of RCs
> > > >   and just hope someone will test and report back, but that obviously
> > > >   isn't working. We need a Daniel Brown-like approach to this. Someone
> > > >   who is really annoyingly persistent and will hunt down people to
> > > >   test RCs and keep a sign-off checklist of projects that have given
> > > >   a thumbs-up on an RC.
> > > 
> > > Solution 2: +1
> > > 
> > > Having a Jenkins instance which would run major framework testsuites
> > > against the different versions of PHP?
> >
> > That would be cool, but a lot of work to maintain since every
> > framework/app has different ways of testing and we'll want to test
> > different versions. It seems like the best bet is to get the people who
> > know the code best to maintain the tests. If we could get all of them to
> > set up *and maintain* their stuff on the Jenkins instance it would be
> > ideal, but that's probably dreaming in technicolor.
> 
> I've made the decision that my team will test against RCs as soon as
> they are out (and we're going to be trying to do each beta as well). If
> we run into issues, we'll of course report back here.

Good are also "success" reports so we know tests were run and succeeded.

> That said, I think it would be good to have a notification system
> whereby framework leads are all pinged on new betas and RCs, and a wiki
> page where they can indicate that they've run tests (and whether or not
> they had issues). That way, you could have a targetted nag list -- "Hey,
> I don't see an update from you -- RUN THE TESTS!", and a deadline
> whereby if they haven't run them, they accept the consequences. :)

We send out mails like this: http://news.php.net/php.qa/65903 to
maintainers of different PHP projects who have opted in for every RC. I
usually get one response and lots of black-hole void reactions.

For 5.3.9 I'll make more responses a release requirement. (have to check
the current recipient list and probably update that to define that
closer, will also work w/ Stas/dsp on that to have it identical for 5.4)

> I could also see this being an interesting peer-pressure move -- "First
> to test!", "We tested last week; how come _you_ haven't?", etc.

This also means that this list has more traffic. Which makes it more
likely to be ignored ...

johannes