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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:32:59 +0100
Reply-To: Marcus Boerger <helly@php.net>
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To: Andi Gutmans <andi@zend.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5 Beta 3
From: helly@php.net (Marcus Boerger)

Hello Andi,

Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 8:12:33 AM, you wrote:

> Guys (n' Girls),

> I think there was a lot of good and positive talk in the past few emails.
> Let me summarize:
> a) There are still people who have to fix some of their extension and are 
> actually working on them. These fixes should definitely be in PHP 5 and the RC.
> b) There are people who are working on new or major rewrites of their 
> extensions such as Shane and Marcus, who acknowledge that when they are 
> done, their extensions will be released. I understand from Marcus that he's
> fine to have PDO in 5.0.0 or 5.0.1 whatever is relevant. As PDO is 
> something many are waiting for, no matter when it is released as stable, 
> people will start using it.
> c) There are bastard extensions such as Java and Corba (I thought that Java
> was fixed by Wez) and no one is touching them. I believe that no release of
> PHP can wait indefinitely for someone to take ownership and fix such 
> extensions. We will either need to remove them or pray someone picks them 
> up quickly (although I still think Java is supposed to work). In any case,
> we are talking about two very non mainstream extensions here. It's not as 
> if the Java one is a very feasible extension to use in production 
> environments because it's slooooooowwww and heavy.
> d) If you're an extension maintainer or just a good guy, please take a look
> at the bug reports.

> So I suggest the following, let's kick ourselves in the tush, aim for Beta
> 3 on the 30th of November, and hopefully after that we can do a feature 
> freeze and go into bug fixing only mode. We can re-evaluate this date as we
> get closer in case people are really having a hard time getting their stuff
> done. But we can't wait for people who just don't have time in the next few
> months. That doesn't make sense.

> How's that? :)

Sounds good to me :-)


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Best regards,
 Marcus                            mailto:helly@php.net