Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:53311 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 56111 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2011 07:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Jun 2011 07:04:50 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=Pascal.Courtois@nouvo.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=Pascal.Courtois@nouvo.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain nouvo.com from 213.186.62.62 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: Pascal.Courtois@nouvo.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 213.186.62.62 ks31594.kimsufi.com Received: from [213.186.62.62] ([213.186.62.62:48971] helo=parthenis.mjtv-online.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id FA/68-24246-11BA9FD4 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 03:04:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by parthenis.mjtv-online.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0B4FC099; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:04:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mjtv-online.com Received: from parthenis.mjtv-online.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ks31594.kimsufi.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H3oWW0YcHdcS; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:04:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.205] (lns-bzn-47f-62-147-131-15.adsl.proxad.net [62.147.131.15]) by parthenis.mjtv-online.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:04:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4DF9AB0F.40005@nouvo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:04:47 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; fr; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lester Caine CC: PHP internals References: <8757232E56758B42B2EE4F9D2CA019C9014CE547@US-EX2.zend.net> <8757232E56758B42B2EE4F9D2CA019C9014D10DC@US-EX2.zend.net> <4DF9913B.4030404@nouvo.com> <4DF99368.2040508@sugarcrm.com> <4DF99949.1070601@nouvo.com> <4DF9A820.4080507@lsces.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4DF9A820.4080507@lsces.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd) From: Pascal.Courtois@nouvo.com (Pascal COURTOIS) Le 16/06/2011 08:52, Lester Caine a écrit : > Pascal I am sure that many people here would be more than happy to > hear about particular problems you are hitting. Ok, then why when I signal a bug noone cares ? > Like Stas I have > never had problems with the stability of PHP5 in 10 years of running > it. PHP5 did not exist 10 years ago ;-) Anyway, around 2001 it took me one year (not full time) to find out there was a memory corruption in PHP. At that time I was using mod_php. It crashed Apache. > YES I can get it to crash, but it has always told me why and > fixing the problem clears that up. I do have sites that become > unstable, but I have yet to find a situation where PHP was the > problem ... when you have a bug in PHP it should not ever ever crash PHP and unfortunately I encountered that case dozens of times. > My grumble is with having to rewrite code simply because someone has > decided that what I was doing is no longer acceptable ... if I can > run my code with display_errors ON then I know I've got clean code > :) I 1000% agree