Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:53310 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 53620 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2011 06:52:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Jun 2011 06:52:24 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 213.123.20.128 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 213.123.20.128 c2bthomr10.btconnect.com Received: from [213.123.20.128] ([213.123.20.128:2251] helo=mail.btconnect.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 33/08-24246-328A9FD4 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 02:52:20 -0400 Received: from host81-138-11-136.in-addr.btopenworld.com (EHLO _10.0.0.4_) ([81.138.11.136]) by c2bthomr10.btconnect.com with ESMTP id DGZ92699; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:52:16 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4DF9A820.4080507@lsces.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:52:16 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.19) Gecko/20110420 SUSE/2.0.14-2.2 SeaMonkey/2.0.14 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PHP internals References: <8757232E56758B42B2EE4F9D2CA019C9014CE547@US-EX2.zend.net> <8757232E56758B42B2EE4F9D2CA019C9014D10DC@US-EX2.zend.net> <4DF9913B.4030404@nouvo.com> <4DF99368.2040508@sugarcrm.com> <4DF99949.1070601@nouvo.com> In-Reply-To: <4DF99949.1070601@nouvo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=Fair-1, source=Queried, refid=tid=0001.0A0B0301.4DF9A820.0088, actions=tag X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=7/50, refid=2.7.2:2011.6.16.53618:17:7.586, ip=81.138.11.136, rules=__MOZILLA_MSGID, __HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, __USER_AGENT, __MIME_VERSION, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __ANY_URI, __URI_NO_MAILTO, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_1400_1499, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, RDNS_SUSP, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr10.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0202.4DF9A820.01AC,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2010-07-22 22:03:31, dmn=2009-09-10 00:05:08, mode=multiengine X-Junkmail-IWF: false Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd) From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) Pascal COURTOIS wrote: >>> What I need is a very stable language on which I can rely and I'm >>> >> very sad to to say PHP is getting worse and worse on that point of >>> >> view versions after versions. >> > >> > I can not contradict your experience, it is what it is, but my >> > experience for years working with PHP was exactly the opposite. > > To tell you the truth, I've been asked to rewrite the framework I > did in Ruby because of these problems. I'm of course very reluctant > to go that way but in the end I may have no choice:-( Pascal I am sure that many people here would be more than happy to hear about particular problems you are hitting. Like Stas I have never had problems with the stability of PHP5 in 10 years of running it. YES I can get it to crash, but it has always told me why and fixing the problem clears that up. I do have sites that become unstable, but I have yet to find a situation where PHP was the problem ... My grumble is with having to rewrite code simply because someone has decided that what I was doing is no longer acceptable ... if I can run my code with display_errors ON then I know I've got clean code :) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php