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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [IDEA/PRE-RFC] PHP Core Mentorship Program
From: justin@justincarmony.com (Justin Carmony)

I like the idea for the mentorship program. I also agree with Pierre =
with the things we'll want to avoid while doing it.

Pierre brought up a good point about how ideally a mentorship program =
wouldn't be necessary, but the website, wiki, etc would have all the =
resources and information for people to jump in and contribute. The =
problem is, the current system of doing that isn't perfect, so I think =
the mentorship system can accomplish two things:

First, add the human element to helping bring in new comers into a =
complex system. I know people can already hop in, but it is a daunting =
task. Having a mentor who you could have more than email conversation =
(irc, im, phone, etc) can help get people up to speed quicker. I would =
feel less dumb asking my dozens of dumb questions (questions that do =
have answers somewhere online, but either I couldn't find them or didn't =
understand them) to a mentor, rather than spam the internals list with =
them. The mentorship helps new volunteers get in an imperfect system =
quicker.

Second, and just as important, that the mentors and mentees *Document* =
and try to *Fix* the hurdles they discover during the mentorship. This =
will help improve the overall barrier of entry for other new volunteers. =
I think this could be the greatest ROI of the program, making it easier =
for the next new volunteers.

I'm willing to be a mentee and help start this program. I have some =
ideas for the program, but don't want to spam everyone with a wall of =
text about them.

Justin Carmony

On Jun 13, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Rafael Dohms wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:16 AM, David Coallier <davidc@php.net> =
wrote:
>> See response inline.
>> ...
>> See Pierre, that's where I believe we are doing things wrong. We
>> already have all our infrastructure to report bugs, create wiki =
pages,
>> send emails. The goal of the program is to create something more
>> personal, something more interactive than just sending everyone to
>> read the manual.
>> ...
>> --
>> David Coallier
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> I agree here with David, i think the mentorship would bring a "human"
> interface for newcomers.
> Yes we already get newcomers, but we could get much more if we had a
> human interface instead of hitting everyone with a TL;DR documentation
> page. Let their first interaction be with a human who can then direct
> to the page at given points.
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> Mentorship has grown some awesome developers in the community, i think
> it can do the same in internals.
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> And yes, we still need all of those pages described, this is an extra
> layer on top of everything being done. If we can get mentors who like
> to help the i say we go for it.
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> Rafael Dohms
> PHP Evangelist and Community Leader
> http://www.rafaeldohms.com.br
> http://www.phpsp.org.br
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