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Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:24:08 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [IDEA/PRE-RFC] PHP Core Mentorship Program
From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye)

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:16 PM, David Coallier <davidc@php.net> wrote:

> Moreover, before spending time creating all the pages, I'm validating
> the idea by talking to people and trying to get things going. If an
> interest is shown, I'll be glad to create any wiki page you want me to
> create however, until the idea is validated, I'm not going to create a
> ghost-wiki page that might end up dieing.

That's exactly the goal of the wiki. Just like committing somewhere
anything you are working on even it ends nowhere. Release early,
release often (even if I don't do that enough :).

> See Pierre, that's where I believe we are doing things wrong. We
> already have all our infrastructure to report bugs, create wiki pages,
> send emails. The goal of the program is to create something more
> personal, something more interactive than just sending everyone to
> read the manual.

We see new contributors every day or week. They waste time to find the
right persons or the right way to send patches, report issues, ask new
features or send patches. A contribute page solves 99% of these issues
and need zero extra organisation.

> I do however agree that we need to have some initial steps created
> (ala contribute page you suggested). Sure some contributors might not
> have extra time in their day and that's exactly why I precisely
> mentioned [IDEA] in the subject. Before going on a mad documentation
> trip,

We should do this page, no matter if the mentor idea works out or not. IMO.

> The idea behind this whole thing Pierre is not to attack anyone or to
> denigrate the work of the core team but rather to help our various
> communities talk together. By various communities, I mean from "core
> devs" to "wordpress developers". There are a lot of developers out
> there that have never even been remotely interested in contributing to
> PHP because of the tedious process of learning how to write "Zend-C".

Not sure where this reply comes from, or which part of my reply causes
this answer :)


> Back to the main subject of discussion: Are you interested in being a
> volunteer-mentor?

I'm already one.

-- 
Pierre

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