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Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 16:57:57 -0500
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To: David Coallier <davidc@php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [IDEA/PRE-RFC] PHP Core Mentorship Program
From: dukeofgaming@gmail.com (dukeofgaming)

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Hi David,

That would be awesome. I do want to contribute but haven't got time to get
to know all PHP's quirks. I have some knowledge of compiler theory and low
level C/C++ (memory management, system programming).

Some stuff I had in mind to try implementing:

- The "object(...)" language construct.
- Constructor dereferentiation (i.e. "new Foo()->bar()").

But it would be nice to have some previous reference/insight/guidance of
where and how to do it.

I like the idea of a separate mailing list and I think the general idea
would be a very healthy boost for the PHP internals community. I also think
that it would be a god idea to build a knowledge base in the wiki and
perhaps feed the PHP Internals part.

Best regards,

David Vega

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:39 AM, David Coallier <davidc@php.net> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Let me start by saying that this is merely an idea I'm trying to put
> together and before doing so, I need to see who would be interested.
>
> A short while ago, the Python community created something called "The
> Python Core Mentorship Program" [1][2] which is essentially an attempt
> to lower the barrier of entry to the Python core for new developers,
> students, etc. and connect everyone together in a more cohesive manner
> where people actually talk and interact. I strongly believe in such
> initiative and believe this is something we should also think about.
>
> Simply put, I'd love to put something together for the PHP
> core/internals where the goals of the program would be, not unlike the
> Python project, to get a few internals (Zend Contribs (Stas are you
> reading this? :P), Core contribs, PECL extensions developers,
> documentation maintainers) to be willing to help newcomers and provide
> a more comprehensive understanding of the contribution processes,
> internal trickeries, optimisations, etc.
>
> The general idea is to create a channel between the rest of the world
> and the internals of PHP where more experienced developers can
> transfer their knowledge and get a fresh perspectives from new
> developers that haven't approached the core before.
>
> Before continuing further into exploring this idea, we need to get
> volunteer mentors. The mentee process is likely to get a self-managed
> one and the mentors' role will hopefully be rather low in terms of
> time consumptions and the roles of the mentor will most likely be:
>
>  - Introducing new developers to the processes
>  - Answering questions
>  - Helping with code review of patches
>
> Again, like the Python program and similarly to the GSOC projects, we
> should have a mailing list (restricted) dedicated only to the mentor
> (php-mentorship?) where anyone can ask the simpler questions. From
> this mailing list we should also be able to construct a solid baseline
> for new developers contributing to PHP. From the mailing list, we'll
> see what questions are coming over and over again we'll be able to
> build a wiki-faq-like sections for new contributors.
>
> I digress and here's what I'm hoping to achieve with this email: I
> want to get a few contributors from various aspects of the core
> including docs and pecl extensions willing to help new people. If you
> are interested, please raise your voice and if enough interest is
> displayed I'll get a proper wiki section started.
>
> Furthermore, one thing I am hoping this program will help bring is not
> only a stronger interest in the core and a fresh injection of talent
> but more importantly I hope we'll be able to contributors from our
> various communities that are scattered across the internet that barely
> ever interact with the internals.
>
> Hoping this email reaches as many of you and that my message is
> properly conveyed :-)
>
> P.S. This is really an attempt to find volunteers. If you are interested
> please
> feel free to contact me directly if you prefer so we can start organising
> whatever would have to be done: davidc@php.net
>
> References:
> [1]: http://pythonmentors.com/
> [2]:
> http://jessenoller.com/2011/03/25/just-proposed-python-core-mentorship-program/
>
>
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> David Coallier
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