Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:53108 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 30571 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2011 23:17:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jun 2011 23:17:12 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=christopher.jones@oracle.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=christopher.jones@oracle.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain oracle.com from 148.87.113.121 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: christopher.jones@oracle.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 148.87.113.121 rcsinet10.oracle.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [148.87.113.121] ([148.87.113.121:40116] helo=rcsinet10.oracle.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id DD/42-20040-6FF5DED4 for ; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 19:17:11 -0400 Received: from rtcsinet21.oracle.com (rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p56NH5qb027362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2011 23:17:07 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by rtcsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p56NH4GC019013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2011 23:17:05 GMT Received: from abhmt016.oracle.com (abhmt016.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p56NGxUf021875 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:16:59 -0500 Received: from [10.159.252.238] (/10.159.252.238) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 16:16:59 -0700 Message-ID: <4DED5FE8.8090805@oracle.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 16:16:56 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <4DE7F179.5010402@sugarcrm.com> <4DE89534.5070206@sugarcrm.com> <4DE89CD2.4040302@sugarcrm.com> <4DE9AA9B.3000108@sugarcrm.com> <4DEC02B6.60806@sugarcrm.com> In-Reply-To: <4DEC02B6.60806@sugarcrm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Source-IP: rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090207.4DED5FF3.00FE:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward From: christopher.jones@oracle.com (Christopher Jones) On 06/05/2011 03:27 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote: >>>> This is a prime example of what we're talking about. Several have >>>> expressed a desire to follow an Ubuntu style of branching instead >>>> of the style proposed in said RFC. This is a core issue, so the >>>> RFC is certainly not ready to adopt. >>>> >>>> So does this require a new RFC, or do the RFC proposers feel this >>>> is a key concept? > > I think that this RFC does not contain Ubuntu-style LTS and it > doesn't look like it's author(s) support it, so it should be some > different point, which may be RFCed and voted on if we see > substantial support for it. > > Speaking of which, I personally don't understand how LTS thing would > work in PHP. Does it mean we'd decide out of the blue that some > version would have extended support, upfront? Like, say, we now say > "5.5 would have extended support"? Why would we want to do this, how > would we know it? E.g., I understand if we had an option of > extending support for some version post-factum, e.g., somewhere in > 2015 we'd say "5.4 is so damn good and 5.5 has so many substantial > changes that now we want 5.4 support to be extended another couple > of years, and we feel we have people that are willing to do it". We > could then talk on it and decide it, nothing prevents it. But as I > understand LTS model means we'd have to decide it now, in 2011, and > I don't see how it works. Could some of the proponents on this > model explain it? The trunk development and the branching policy & process isn't adequately captured in the RFC. This is a gray area that should be included. It's a pity little of the mail list discussion seems to have been merged back to the RFC as clarifications, or in a comment & answer section. Chris -- Email: christopher.jones@oracle.com Tel: +1 650 506 8630 Blog: http://blogs.oracle.com/opal/