Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:53098 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 15945 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2011 22:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jun 2011 22:55:34 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=tyra3l@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=tyra3l@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.42 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: tyra3l@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.42 mail-ww0-f42.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.42] ([74.125.82.42:42533] helo=mail-ww0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id AD/37-23189-BDA5DED4 for ; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:55:26 -0400 Received: by wwk4 with SMTP id 4so2021505wwk.5 for ; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 15:55:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=dvj8S7g6Cyfu7z2wlaIbgK025fXiNxFRRjopyLao7bs=; b=h7i14+dtV7mB2jxc2EI2qILl80rXZB5IyvJ1Dq3tCL4l5iggPBZFxqJ5UMz5jZj21d usDKy7cJvtdTKrkt1J5UsWxcz2CY+07elDAHuhU60yJyNYV2octh5PB4ONoYBgX523Fh gTetUvMNwkr60MVijmw36NpiDdsQQ5VdRXGpE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=OLVWMAqM8jCXRNGb6ZbK59LCJjF4PufVV+vDwwKgyXK24cmEHrpVow+pExwNjksH2B d8b/9FzFGEJCSXaoOzliyHl/hT1A01cAqhh2mlgGcVI0DKi++OMaM/yoycnEZAASsZhS nQrwjXpfu6fCXXFIbz6aRoLyEBkjS7CbVCN3E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.217.5.143 with SMTP id w15mr2886579wes.74.1307400918056; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 15:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Sender: tyra3l@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.64.6 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Jun 2011 15:55:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8757232E56758B42B2EE4F9D2CA019C901499F97@US-EX2.zend.net> <97.45.23189.8060DED4@pb1.pair.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 00:55:17 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: J7qEh21JJVcSuq5ygdtaffsaVbI Message-ID: To: Martin Scotta Cc: Pierre Joye , "Matthew Weier O'Phinney" , internals@lists.php.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf301e2f814cbfce04a512ff24 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Bundling "modern" extensions From: info@tyrael.hu (Ferenc Kovacs) --20cf301e2f814cbfce04a512ff24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Martin Scotta wrote: > Martin Scotta > > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Pierre Joye wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney > > wrote: > > > > > My point is that perhaps PHP has missed the boat a bit by moving > > > everything into extensions. Perhaps if an extension is particularly > > > popular, it should be incorporated into core. But let USAGE drive that, > > > not the opinions of individuals on @internals. > > > > > > I cannot disagree than with this statement. PHP is one of the language > > with the most connectivity solutions, fast adoption of new > > technologies, etc. Why? Because the language itself is relatively > > stable while its extensions are created every day for every possible > > use. > > > > However it seems that you forgot to consider what I said here a couple > > of times already. Having one nosql extension in core won't make > > hosters make the respective server side infrastructure available. How > > many hosters provide firebird? DB2? Only sqlserver is part of the > > standard windows offers but that's due to some different factors. > > > > That's why we should differentiate general purposes extensions like > > pecl's http and driver like mongo. > > > > so why mysql ext is int core? it's as specific as mongo, isn't? > > It'd be very nice if some extension could be enabled just by dropping the > "extension file" on the path. > So developers can check what they have using phpinfo, and then upload the > needed extension using ftp. Is it possible? > > that would be very bad from the security pov. including an extension should be always explicit. Tyrael --20cf301e2f814cbfce04a512ff24--