Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:53069 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 55173 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2011 18:46:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jun 2011 18:46:14 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 213.123.26.187 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 213.123.26.187 c2beaomr09.btconnect.com Received: from [213.123.26.187] ([213.123.26.187:7272] helo=mail.btconnect.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 74/7B-23189-3702DED4 for ; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 14:46:13 -0400 Received: from host81-138-11-136.in-addr.btopenworld.com (EHLO _10.0.0.4_) ([81.138.11.136]) by c2beaomr09.btconnect.com with ESMTP id DDN04899; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 19:46:08 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4DED206F.5040204@lsces.co.uk> Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 19:46:07 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.19) Gecko/20110420 SUSE/2.0.14-2.2 SeaMonkey/2.0.14 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PHP internals References: <4DE7F179.5010402@sugarcrm.com> <4DE89CD2.4040302@sugarcrm.com> <4DE9AA9B.3000108@sugarcrm.com> <4DEC02B6.60806@sugarcrm.com> <4DEC7FED.9000700@lsces.co.uk> <4DEC8570.1010904@sugarcrm.com> <4DECACFB.5000805@lsces.co.uk> <4DECBE94.7010502@lsces.co.uk> <4DECD6BC.5050101@lsces.co.uk> <4DECFC84.3080800@lsces.co.uk> <4DED04EC.2040907@lsces.co.uk> <4DED0A9A.80202@lsces.co.uk> <4DED1854.5040106@lsces.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=Fair-1, source=Queried, refid=tid=0001.0A0B0302.4DED206F.00BD, actions=tag X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=7/50, refid=2.7.2:2011.6.6.175120:17:7.586, ip=81.138.11.136, rules=__MOZILLA_MSGID, __HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, __USER_AGENT, __MIME_VERSION, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __ANY_URI, __URI_NO_MAILTO, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, __SUBJECT_ENDING_IN_LATIN_OR_NUMERALS, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_1800_1899, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, RDNS_SUSP, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B020D.4DED2070.016B,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2010-07-22 22:03:31, dmn=2009-09-10 00:05:08, mode=multiengine X-Junkmail-IWF: false Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) Pierre Joye wrote: > However I ask you, strongly, now to stop to pollute this thread with > totally unrelated topics. Thanks for your understanding. This is something of a rather important point since PHP has always been very strongly related to Apache so it is totally related to a discussion of moving PHP forward. Currently the mainstream information is so far adrift of the present situation that at it needs to be addressed. A starting point would be to bring all of the PHP manual information in line with the current situation and point people to the preferred installation paths rather than telling people to use steps that do not actually get to a working PHP5.3 setup? And starting to push out 5.4 will increase peoples requests to getting things working with exiting windows/apache/php5.2 setups. Does anybody other than Pierre disagree with the point that currently the mainstream windows installation paths are something of a mess and needs to be updated in some way? I've been updating my own installation guides, but I had not realised just how many other PHP projects provide windows installation guides that no longer work. Not having been using windows myself on new builds for some time, I had not updated and tested clean installs and it's only recently I've found how out of date things are :( I've been getting emails from people asking why my guides were not working hence the need to address this and get back to a working situation. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php