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Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 18:26:57 +0200
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To: Hannes Magnusson <hannes.magnusson@gmail.com>
Cc: Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com>, Philip Olson <philip@roshambo.org>, 
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV]
 5.4 moving forward)
From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye)

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Hannes Magnusson
<hannes.magnusson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 17:20, Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Some of you may have followed the twitter conversation that Pierre and =
I had at the end of last week; =A0In my opinion, this dry (or partially wet=
) run that we had in the last few days of a voting process pointed to sever=
al deficiencies that need to be addressed in the RFC release process that n=
eed to be addressed before we move on.
>>
>> Fully agreed and it was the case for the array stuff and a consensus
>> is clear here, and in favour of one the proposals. To make the point
>> straight.
>
> Say what?
> Do people even know what they were voting for?
> I have absolutely no idea whatsoever what is being voted on, so I haven't=
 yet.

If you do not understand what has been discussed and can't vote,
that's not my or our problem. Nothing I can do will help you here.

>>> - The announcement will be done in a way that's easy to flag & follow, =
e.g. - by [RFC] in the subject line followed by the title of the RFC. =A0Ag=
ain, the effective date will start from the time this email is sent to the =
list, not any other time.
>>
>> Afaict, it is the case already.
>
> Definitely not.
> There is so much discussion about the array stuff now that I have no
> idea what is being voted on.. People started counting votes before the
> discussion even began.

Please, and I mean it, stop to state wrong and misleading information.
There is a page where people votes and have changed their votes,
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/shortsyntaxforarrays/vote. There is a clear
and obvious consensus, like or not.

Cheers,
--=20
Pierre

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