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Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was:
 [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward)
From: johncrenshaw@priacta.com (John Crenshaw)

Speaking generally, consensus is a dangerous and impossible standard. Few t=
hings can cripple progress like waiting for consensus. Voting may be one go=
od way to move things forward without deadlocking forever. I agree though t=
hat without clear rules for how the process should work, voting is also cha=
otic. (Who can call for a vote? How? When is it final? Who can vote? How do=
 they vote? How much is each vote worth? Is a simple majority or super majo=
rity needed?)

John Crenshaw
Priacta, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Olson [mailto:philip@roshambo.org]=20
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 9:30 AM
To: Pierre Joye
Cc: Stas Malyshev; Derick Rethans; PHP Internals
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-D=
EV] 5.4 moving forward)


On Jun 4, 2011, at 3:07 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Stas Malyshev <smalyshev@sugarcrm.com> wr=
ote:
>=20
>> [VOTE] is a good idea, let's make it [VOTE].
>>=20
>>> There is no plugin used for it yet, and that's my problem with it.
>>=20
>> Well, votes aren't announced yet either :) I'll try to get it set up ASA=
P
>> and see how it works, before announcing the vote. It looks good in
>> description at least.
>=20
> Please keep them in the wiki as we planed to do. THere are plugins and
> it is very easy to manage, allows per section voting etc.

I'm hopeful people will continue to understand the RFC definition:

  - RFC: Request For Comments

And while doing so, not revert to a vote (RFV?) simply because discussing a=
 topic can get messy. Voting has clear winners and losers with potential lo=
ss for improvements. That and you must then worry about who can and cannot =
vote (i.e., non-inclusive community). It's rare that we've required a forma=
l vote, so I fear we will now implement voting at inappropriate times rathe=
r than allow a consensus to be reached.

Also, people should be given a reasonable opportunity to offer an alternati=
ve RFC.=20

Regards,
Philip



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