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Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:29:41 -0700
Cc: Stas Malyshev <smalyshev@sugarcrm.com>,
 Derick Rethans <derick@php.net>,
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To: Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward)
From: philip@roshambo.org (Philip Olson)


On Jun 4, 2011, at 3:07 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Stas Malyshev <smalyshev@sugarcrm.com> =
wrote:
>=20
>> [VOTE] is a good idea, let's make it [VOTE].
>>=20
>>> There is no plugin used for it yet, and that's my problem with it.
>>=20
>> Well, votes aren't announced yet either :) I'll try to get it set up =
ASAP
>> and see how it works, before announcing the vote. It looks good in
>> description at least.
>=20
> Please keep them in the wiki as we planed to do. THere are plugins and
> it is very easy to manage, allows per section voting etc.

I'm hopeful people will continue to understand the RFC definition:

  - RFC: Request For Comments

And while doing so, not revert to a vote (RFV?) simply because =
discussing a topic can get messy. Voting has clear winners and losers =
with potential loss for improvements. That and you must then worry about =
who can and cannot vote (i.e., non-inclusive community). It's rare that =
we've required a formal vote, so I fear we will now implement voting at =
inappropriate times rather than allow a consensus to be reached.

Also, people should be given a reasonable opportunity to offer an =
alternative RFC.=20

Regards,
Philip