Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:52883 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 45613 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2011 11:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Jun 2011 11:53:00 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=david.zuelke@bitextender.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=david.zuelke@bitextender.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain bitextender.com from 80.237.132.12 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: david.zuelke@bitextender.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 80.237.132.12 wp005.webpack.hosteurope.de Received: from [80.237.132.12] ([80.237.132.12:47243] helo=wp005.webpack.hosteurope.de) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 96/B2-23330-99C1AED4 for ; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 07:52:57 -0400 Received: from dslb-092-075-002-048.pools.arcor-ip.net ([92.75.2.48] helo=[192.168.0.102]); authenticated by wp005.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1QSpPP-0005zI-Q0; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 13:52:51 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-20-316173716; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 13:52:51 +0200 Cc: PHP internals Message-ID: <073E2169-A50B-4139-851D-F62CF30189F4@bitextender.com> References: To: dukeofgaming X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;david.zuelke@bitextender.com;1307188377;df6034e1; Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] JSON array/object syntax From: david.zuelke@bitextender.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Z=FClke?=) --Apple-Mail-20-316173716 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To clarify: I don't understand what the advantage would be, either. It = seems that those demanding it somehow confuse or blur the lines between = the declaration of data in the language and its representation in a = serialization format. A few people in the thread demanded that it be a = syntax that could also be consumed by all the JSON parsers out there, = and I have no idea how that would be useful at all, since the construct = per se isn't useful at all as PHP code and at least needs to be wrapped = in tags, so you couldn't just evaluate it as JavaScript = (which would be useless without assignment etc). I ignored that aspect as others covered it already (e.g. Pierre asking = what the point was of this at all) and focused on the encoding issue = that *would* occur if someone, somehow managed to find a useful way of = taking advantage of such a notation (e.g. where it would be = interchangeable with JS code or be evaluated as JSON by other JSON = parsers) - namely the problem that you could produce *PHP code*, that, = with some mingling and stripping, *PHP's own json_decode() could not = process*. Perhaps I should have made that more clear, sorry. David On 04.06.2011, at 03:17, dukeofgaming wrote: > Hi, >=20 > After reading all the debate in the other thread it is still not clear = to me > what the real advantages are of adopting JSON syntax for native PHP > types. Doing json_encode to an object and expect the code and output = to be > the same seems useless to me, and reading David Z=FClke's example it = seems > more like a pure-unicode issue to me: >=20 > ---- >=20 > It is different from writing json_decode('=E4\u0123'), because = json_decode() > in PHP only accepts UTF-8 encoded input; >=20 > Give it a shot: >=20 > $chr =3D "\xC3\xA4"; // "=E4" as UTF-8 > var_dump(json_decode('["' . $chr . '\u00e4"]')); > var_dump(json_decode('["' . utf8_decode($chr) . '\u00e4"]')); > ?> >=20 > That'll produce: >=20 >> array(1) { >> [0]=3D> >> string(4) "=E4=E4" >> } >> NULL >=20 > Understand what the problem is now? >=20 > If someone does this in a latin1-encoded file: >=20 > >=20 > Then that is valid as a PHP array (as it's a latin1 "=E4", so \xE4), = but > cannot be consumed by PHP's json_decode(). And that would be terribly > inconsistent behavior. >=20 > ----- >=20 > It looks more like you want to do json_decode to PHP code hoping that = will > somehow fix json_decode... instead of fixing json_decode. >=20 > Could someone advocating this please explain with use-cases and = concrete & > punctualized examples the advantages of having such JSON approach to = PHP. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > David Vega --Apple-Mail-20-316173716 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIMZDCCBW4w ggRWoAMCAQICECzy3OO4bIaKwclpYXzU0GAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwgd0xCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVT MRcwFQYDVQQKEw5WZXJpU2lnbiwgSW5jLjEfMB0GA1UECxMWVmVyaVNpZ24gVHJ1c3QgTmV0d29y azE7MDkGA1UECxMyVGVybXMgb2YgdXNlIGF0IGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnZlcmlzaWduLmNvbS9ycGEg KGMpMDkxHjAcBgNVBAsTFVBlcnNvbmEgTm90IFZhbGlkYXRlZDE3MDUGA1UEAxMuVmVyaVNpZ24g 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