Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:52874 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 61051 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2011 22:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jun 2011 22:11:36 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=david.zuelke@bitextender.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=david.zuelke@bitextender.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain bitextender.com from 80.237.132.12 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: david.zuelke@bitextender.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 80.237.132.12 wp005.webpack.hosteurope.de Received: from [80.237.132.12] ([80.237.132.12:49401] helo=wp005.webpack.hosteurope.de) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 4D/D0-08509-01C59ED4 for ; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:11:30 -0400 Received: from dslb-092-075-002-048.pools.arcor-ip.net ([92.75.2.48] helo=[192.168.0.102]); authenticated by wp005.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1QScaS-0005Vj-5g; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 00:11:24 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-15-266885687; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 00:11:23 +0200 Cc: Martin Scotta , Sean Coates , Anthony Ferrara , PHP internals Message-ID: References: <4DE5368A.6050603@moonspot.net> <8BEEEE49-8DA3-4634-BF9C-120F7A15B613@roshambo.org> <4C39B728-2283-49A7-87F5-B0CC9EC42505@bitextender.com> To: Andrei Zmievski X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;david.zuelke@bitextender.com;1307139090;a907123a; Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Short syntax for Arrays (redux) From: david.zuelke@bitextender.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Z=FClke?=) --Apple-Mail-15-266885687 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 It's not FUD. It is different from writing json_decode('=E4\u0123'), because = json_decode() in PHP only accepts UTF-8 encoded input; Give it a shot: That'll produce: > array(1) { > [0]=3D> > string(4) "=E4=E4" > } > NULL Understand what the problem is now? If someone does this in a latin1-encoded file: Then that is valid as a PHP array (as it's a latin1 "=E4", so \xE4), but = cannot be consumed by PHP's json_decode(). And that would be terribly = inconsistent behavior. David On 02.06.2011, at 22:15, Andrei Zmievski wrote: > Stop spreading FUD, please. >=20 > It's no different than writing json_decode("=E4\u0123"). >=20 > Your statement, "the stuff in bar in UTF-8" is wrong. The \u0123 > escape sequence is a representation of a Unicode character, not the > character itself. This representation can be encoded in any > ASCII-compatible encoding, such as Latin-1, UTF-8, etc. So putting it > directly in a Latin-1 encoded script is just fine. >=20 > -Andrei >=20 > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:00 PM, David Z=FClke > wrote: >> No we can't; I already explained why in another email last night. = Copypasta: >>=20 >> json_decode() can deal with Unicode sequences because decodes to = UTF-8. That is not possible in a language construct: >>=20 >> What if I do this, in a latin1 encoded file: >>=20 >> $x =3D {foo: "=E4", bar: "\u0123"} >>=20 >> Should that then give mixed encodings? The "=E4" in foo in latin1 and = the stuff in bar in UTF-8? >>=20 >> And what if I do: >>=20 >> $x =3D {foo: "=E4\u0123"} >>=20 >> I'll either end up with an invalid UTF-8 sequence, or with latin1 = character soup. >>=20 >> David >>=20 >>=20 >> On 02.06.2011, at 18:04, Martin Scotta = wrote: >>=20 >>> Could we first go out with fully JSON compatible version for 5.4? >>> and then later decide the =3D> stuff based on how that worked. >>>=20 >>> Native JSON is a big stuff for userland, and I'm pretty sure it will = bring a >>> hole of core version upgrades. >>>=20 >>> Martin Scotta >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Sean Coates = wrote: >>>=20 >>>>> Now, the only reason I would personally support the array shortcut = is >>>>> if it was an implementation of JSON. I know that's not on the = table >>>>> here >>>>=20 >>>> I don't think anything is officially off the table, unless we = forego >>>> discussion. >>>>=20 >>>> My application is largely JSON-powered. We pass data from back- to >>>> front-end via JSON, we interact with MongoDB via the extension = (which is an >>>> altered JSON-like protocol (arrays instead of objects), but would = be a lot >>>> more fluent with actual objects=97they're just too hard to make in = current >>>> PHP), and we interface with ElasticSearch. The paste I linked = earlier is our >>>> primary ElasticSearch query. >>>>=20 >>>> The benefits of first-class JSON are important and wide-reaching; >>>> especially when interacting with systems like the ones I've = mentioned. >>>> There's a huge amount of value in being able to copy JSON out of = PHP and >>>> into e.g. CURL to make a query to ElasticSearch without worrying = that I've >>>> accidentally nested one level too deep or shallow, or accidentally >>>> mistranslating my arrays into JSON. >>>>=20 >>>> This is not about saving five characters every time I type array(), = it's >>>> about making my systems all work together in a way that's a little = less >>>> abstracted, and a lot less prone to error. >>>>=20 >>>> S >>>> -- >>>> PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List >>>> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>=20 >=20 > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >=20 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