Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:52847 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 59126 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2011 08:27:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jun 2011 08:27:53 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pierre.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pierre.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.170 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.170 mail-wy0-f170.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.170] ([74.125.82.170:49300] helo=mail-wy0-f170.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id A5/80-56226-80B98ED4 for ; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 04:27:52 -0400 Received: by wyb34 with SMTP id 34so1377596wyb.29 for ; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 01:27:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=HRdT/oFAlBcdqvZeBPQEAQJq6FDGz7r4wZjfmEpQ2YY=; b=Ki/QZhzodfU9/CZIVlYXxBiHpKgruuboWQ0BXDba2CqB42RHsHEHd12bDEt8HCuhG+ aGU+YeCgLzUjpAc4Q7usHqxm7P0mDnXUWf7bqDgKyzcJmTLhPkQq67hpjaCJJtDpA62n oHcLdBk7Tg+wXHP9jPqI0hHNo5R7HK5V4/PoU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NTsBOo5COZnj0brJbLjRpzns3nlvL3lOXkrB4B8CrML3TpuxyYiBMcH9GShhqyTSxb 6zITV8imw5akyslTT9fgoQjGA6XHEPuTn1nRQ2okbv9OYvykAStHGL30zmbrC/LcpjCv 5LekZiby4U9JfNj8mYpMjFRHxPj/bfHPaEWJs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.221.32 with SMTP id q32mr6791305wep.77.1307089668679; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 01:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.253.168 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Jun 2011 01:27:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4DE7F179.5010402@sugarcrm.com> <4DE89534.5070206@sugarcrm.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 10:27:48 +0200 Message-ID: To: Derick Rethans Cc: Stas Malyshev , PHP Internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward) From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye) On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Derick Rethans wrote: > On Fri, 3 Jun 2011, Stas Malyshev wrote: > >> > Voting on the wiki? Yuck. If you want participation, do it here on the >> > mailinglist and store the record in the wiki. If all "votes" are showi= ng >> >> Voting on ML is messy and means somebody needs to read every message on = the >> list and look for votes, however long, tedious and offtopic the discussi= on >> gets. Voting with, well, voting application is clean, automatic and effi= cient. >> I don't understand why we should use medium that is unfit for the purpos= e >> instead of using applications specifically designed for doing what we tr= y to >> do. > > Yes, it's messy on ML. My points where: > - a call to vote is easily drowned out on the ML with all the noise > - editting votes on a wiki can too easily be manipulated (I could just > =A0change your votes, and there would be no trail). There is a log and we know who did edit what. Basic trust is required anyway and if such tricks happen, really, I do not know what to think about the person doing them (well I do, but that's not the place to say it). A plugin will be installed to ease the process, login, vote. You won't be able to add/edit other votes. About when a vote happens and how to inform the devs, I do not see other solutions than getting the devs to read the discussions on the MLs. If some can't stand the heat, then we can't do much for them anyway, Cheers, --=20 Pierre @pierrejoye | http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org