Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:52813 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 26556 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2011 20:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Jun 2011 20:41:18 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=philip@roshambo.org; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=philip@roshambo.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain roshambo.org from 209.85.160.42 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: philip@roshambo.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.160.42 mail-pw0-f42.google.com Received: from [209.85.160.42] ([209.85.160.42:54313] helo=mail-pw0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 7D/81-18291-D65F7ED4 for ; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 16:41:18 -0400 Received: by pwj3 with SMTP id 3so728858pwj.29 for ; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 13:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.25.166 with SMTP id d6mr478165pbg.136.1307047274642; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 13:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c-24-19-164-241.hsd1.wa.comcast.net (c-24-19-164-241.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [24.19.164.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n1sm826744pbi.95.2011.06.02.13.41.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 02 Jun 2011 13:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <8377D924-763A-4C44-A018-052A74686BA9@seancoates.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 13:41:11 -0700 Cc: Pierre Joye , PHP internals Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <9173A2D0-038A-493D-ACC5-2402416FAC79@roshambo.org> References: <4DE5368A.6050603@moonspot.net> <0047B798-AFBC-41CF-A4EC-74A026B657FE@seancoates.com> <8377D924-763A-4C44-A018-052A74686BA9@seancoates.com> To: Sean Coates X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Short syntax for Arrays (redux) From: philip@roshambo.org (Philip Olson) On Jun 2, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Sean Coates wrote: >>> If people vote on this now, will further discussion about how this = SHOULD >>> work be shut down with "we already voted on this"? >> which other discussions do you wish? Json is clearly not an option = and >> not enough people (but a couple) likes or wants it. >>=20 >> The RFC is about short array syntax and as far as I can see there is >> already a clear consensus for one of the proposed new syntax. >=20 > I don't see why JSON (or JSON-like, or JavaScript Object Literal, or = whatever the least politically-fired term of the moment) syntax is = "clearly" not an option. I'm considering writing a new RFC that calls = for first-class JSONishy syntax, but I have better things to do if it's = already dead in the water. >=20 > As much as I'd like to avoid drawing out this discussion, I think a = premature vote that will be used as a political wedge to shut down all = future syntaxes that don't use T_ARRAY is not in the best interest of = PHP. I share this concern, and it applies to future topics and discussions. I = think you creating this RFC would be helpful, and that we as a group = should respect the desired timeline for proposing this alternative RFC = (I assume over the weekend?). We won't be forgetting this topic (it feels like people are panicking = like we will) so if said alternative isn't available or doesn't gain = traction then the current [adjusted] RFC should be implemented. Regards, Philip