Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:5278 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 56896 invoked by uid 1010); 6 Nov 2003 01:07:54 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 56859 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2003 01:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO matrix.gna.ch) (195.226.6.8) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2003 01:07:53 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by matrix.gna.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30A7D159; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 02:07:53 +0100 (CET) Received: by matrix.gna.ch (Postfix, from userid 65534) id D3FCB15D; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 02:07:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from cschneid.com (unknown [195.226.4.61]) by matrix.gna.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AEAC159; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 02:07:49 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3FA99EE5.1050209@cschneid.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 02:07:49 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031009 X-Accept-Language: de-ch, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Schlossnagle Cc: internals@lists.php.net References: <20031105224100.44394.qmail@pb1.pair.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.76.7.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on matrix.gna.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.60 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS Ultramail snapshot-20020531 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Proposal: Array syntax From: cschneid@cschneid.com (Christian Schneider) George Schlossnagle wrote: > George (thinking [] is pretty but disliking alternative syntaxes) Ok, let me recap my short visit on this mailing list: 1) Dangling commas in function calls were considered bloat 2) Adding the local vars to debug_backtrace() was silently ignored 3) A prettier array syntax was discarded because it's an alternative On the other hand Sara Golemon wrote: > It's Perlish and ugly. It is *not* PHP syntax. while e.g. private, catch, throw, final were introduced which are Javaesque and ugly. They are *not* PHP spirit of a simple language. But I didn't complain. After all this I guess I have to maintain my own PHP branch and hope for PHP6 to address some of my issues. Or switch to another language at some point, because a language to me is a tool, not a religion. Anyway, I wish everybody happy hacking, - Chris