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Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 09:50:37 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Short syntax for Arrays (redux)
From: info@tyrael.hu (Ferenc Kovacs)

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On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Sean Coates <sean@seancoates.com> wrote:

> > Now, the only reason I would personally support the array shortcut is
> > if it was an implementation of JSON.  I know that's not on the table
> > here
>
> I don't think anything is officially off the table, unless we forego
> discussion.
>
> My application is largely JSON-powered. We pass data from back- to
> front-end via JSON, we interact with MongoDB via the extension (which is =
an
> altered JSON-like protocol (arrays instead of objects), but would be a lo=
t
> more fluent with actual objects=E2=80=94they're just too hard to make in =
current
> PHP), and we interface with ElasticSearch. The paste I linked earlier is =
our
> primary ElasticSearch query.
>
> The benefits of first-class JSON are important and wide-reaching;
> especially when interacting with systems like the ones I've mentioned.
> There's a huge amount of value in being able to copy JSON out of PHP and
> into e.g. CURL to make a query to ElasticSearch without worrying that I'v=
e
> accidentally nested one level too deep or shallow, or accidentally
> mistranslating my arrays into JSON.
>
> This is not about saving five characters every time I type array(), it's
> about making my systems all work together in a way that's a little less
> abstracted, and a lot less prone to error.
>
>
the whole patch and RFC was about saving a few types of characters.
so I think that some of the "make JSON first class citizen in PHP"
supporters should open a separate RFC with pros and cons, what BC break can
that cause, etc. before we can vote on that.
but I think that this patch and RFC (maybe with the removal of ':', so we
only support '=3D>') could and should be voted on.
but if we mix the two idea, we will lose both, at least this is what
happened many times on this list.
so please, update the current RFC if needed, and maybe we should restart th=
e
vote.
don't make this into and endless bikeshedding with continuously
throwing loosely related half-baked ideas on top of the discussion.
thanks.

Tyrael

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