Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:52708 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 21163 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2011 21:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2011 21:39:47 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=mike503@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=mike503@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.214.42 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: mike503@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.214.42 mail-bw0-f42.google.com Received: from [209.85.214.42] ([209.85.214.42:37245] helo=mail-bw0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id B1/13-32367-1A1B6ED4 for ; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:39:46 -0400 Received: by bwz18 with SMTP id 18so475264bwz.29 for ; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 14:39:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=IoHhnJNMU63UYDSp70i/fJ0EyRhRu4GPlWuvITleSm8=; b=rLtJTPiy4v0U7gge9QtdUWmYlSqvwcRCiMPVFmEyyX9DmXHdFTZFOvuw7DSr1HUe+Q s73fCsULTlGE+A8jXs5ln07YZcUMtbNrZW5P9PZqijoNjcEZ5Y20rP3bGTKBRjbbZ2rV 01N7428OnUFWY58Bzq7OSpDEuB3fweWSb/5Qg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=iph5ogsS+4S4R2DWvm6SUnaEBQiUFHkvkWj1LX7zRKG3P0puf7w8NC8CsxTVWbDN5C 6Gz/rGZwbFAejQ/7CKWOsHVwVs2wh5VQd7Y7qKdbiki/7GPvJtdoV7lOMkpxVD+qmknH tyaO7sZmE7UnNP6sjM3FuvaBg7vjDs1qij6T4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.141.17 with SMTP id k17mr3731558bku.41.1306964382146; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 14:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.140.16 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:39:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4DE5368A.6050603@moonspot.net> <8BEEEE49-8DA3-4634-BF9C-120F7A15B613@roshambo.org> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:39:42 -0700 Message-ID: To: Chris Stockton Cc: Anthony Ferrara , PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Short syntax for Arrays (redux) From: mike503@gmail.com (Michael Shadle) First, why not go the opposite way and standardize the syntax - why not make object() or Object() work like array() or Array()? $person =3D object('name' =3D> 'Justin', =C2=A0=C2=A0 'city' =3D> 'ogden', =C2=A0=C2=A0 'state' =3D> 'ut', =C2=A0=C2=A0 'country' =3D> 'usa', =C2=A0=C2=A0 'favoriteNumbers' =3D> array(4, 12, 37, 42), =C2=A0=C2=A0 'unluckyNumbers' =3D> array(6, 13, 21), =C2=A0=C2=A0 'likesPhp' =3D> 'very much so' ); Then you maintain consistency instead of relying on specific characters. That makes more sense than trying to make shorthand for something so basic to the language. I remember moving from Perl to PHP I remember thinking "what the hell? Everything is a $, how do you make hashes?" Secondly, "Second, we broke syntax highlighters, IDEs, and so forth when we introduced namespaces" Don't get me started on namespaces. :)