Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:52683 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 48924 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2011 15:56:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2011 15:56:30 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rasmus@lerdorf.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rasmus@lerdorf.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lerdorf.com from 209.85.210.42 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rasmus@lerdorf.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.210.42 mail-pz0-f42.google.com Received: from [209.85.210.42] ([209.85.210.42:37170] helo=mail-pz0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 62/D8-32367-D2166ED4 for ; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:56:29 -0400 Received: by pzk37 with SMTP id 37so2772490pzk.29 for ; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 08:56:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.156.12 with SMTP id d12mr1169649wfe.184.1306943786407; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 08:56:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.200.5] (c-76-126-236-132.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.126.236.132]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v6sm723489wfe.14.2011.06.01.08.56.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 01 Jun 2011 08:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DE66128.1080006@lerdorf.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 08:56:24 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Justin Carmony CC: PHP internals References: <3C4EC449-1013-4ED6-9113-F37FAEBD0566@seancoates.com> <94183529-D0B3-44B0-8AC8-CC229438F58D@roshambo.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC: Short syntax for Arrays (redux) From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus) On 06/01/2011 08:00 AM, Justin Carmony wrote: > In all seriousness, there is a vast majority of PHP developers who are not represented on this list. I was surprised to see someone mentioning for calling for another vote so soon after this discussion came up. Perhaps instead of debating on readability and usefulness, we actually do some research with major PHP users to get their opinions? I'm not saying we should have every PHP user in the world vote, but there are talented PHP developers who are not apart of the core that have valid and insightful views and opinions. > > So what I would first propose is we finalize the RFC because right now it is has two options, and doesn't deal with objects. I think everyone is starting to agree "=>" is much more uniform than ":", so lets drop the ":" from the RFC. > > Then, lets request some feedback from reputable PHP developers, like authors of popular frameworks and PHP solutions. This way we can get some real input from people who are not on the internals email list. This can help those who make the decision on whether or not to accept the RFC aware not only of their own personal opinion and preferences, but the opinions and preferences of the PHP community as a whole. > > I know I'm newer to the list, and don't want to step on any toes, but I think the RFC process could really benefit from getting this type of feedback. I think it is well understood that PHP internals discussion happens on this internals mailing list. It is not a restricted list in any way. Anybody is able to participate here if they want their voice heard. -Rasmus