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To: Philip Olson <philip@roshambo.org>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC: Short syntax for Arrays (redux)
From: justin@justincarmony.com (Justin Carmony)

In all seriousness, there is a vast majority of PHP developers who are =
not represented on this list. I was surprised to see someone mentioning =
for calling for another vote so soon after this discussion came up. =
Perhaps instead of debating on readability and usefulness, we actually =
do some research with major PHP users to get their opinions? I'm not =
saying we should have every PHP user in the world vote, but there are =
talented PHP developers who are not apart of the core that have valid =
and insightful views and opinions.

So what I would first propose is we finalize the RFC because right now =
it is has two options, and doesn't deal with objects. I think everyone =
is starting to agree "=3D>" is much more uniform than ":", so lets drop =
the ":" from the RFC.=20

Then, lets request some feedback from reputable PHP developers, like =
authors of popular frameworks and PHP solutions. This way we can get =
some real input from people who are not on the internals email list. =
This can help those who make the decision on whether or not to accept =
the RFC aware not only of their own personal opinion and preferences, =
but the opinions and preferences of the PHP community as a whole.

I know I'm newer to the list, and don't want to step on any toes, but I =
think the RFC process could really benefit from getting this type of =
feedback.

Justin Carmony


On Jun 1, 2011, at 8:37 AM, Philip Olson wrote:

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> On Jun 1, 2011, at 7:30 AM, Ilia Alshanetsky wrote:
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>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Sean Coates <sean@seancoates.com> =
wrote:
>>> This discussion seems to lack real-world examples=85
>>>=20
>>> Derick wrote:
>>>> I'm still -1 on it. It makes absolutely unreadable code (yes, also =
in
>>>> JavaScript with f.e. MongoDB).
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Here's an actual snippet from my production code (which interfaces =
with ElasticSearch):
>>> http://paste.roguecoders.com/p/0747f2363c228a09e0ddd6f8ec52f2e8.html
>>>=20
>>> If you consider this readable, you're fare more literate than I will =
ever be (-:
>>=20
>> Using JSON syntax would only "maybe" make it more readable, and then
>> only because you would probably not format it on so many lines ;-)
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> Maybe that could be a contest. Who can make this the prettiest, using =
either a proposed or current syntax. :)
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> Regards,
> Philip
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