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Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:10:00 +0200
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To: Marcel Esser <marcel.esser@croscon.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Short syntax for Arrays (redux)
From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye)

can we please (please!) focus on voting on the RFC and avoid an
enumeration of all possible syntax, formats, ideas, trolls&co we had
in the last decade? Simply vote and let us move one.

Thanks for your understanding,

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Marcel Esser <marcel.esser@croscon.com> wro=
te:
> My kneejerk reaction to this, as no one particularly important, is to not
> allow mixing those syntaxes.
>
> I looked at the RFC a minute ago, and I read a reference to a parallel
> solution to this being named parameters. Which, I think, is not accurate.
> The problem with the array() notation is definitely at deep nesting level=
s.
> The fact that arrays as arguments suddenly look nicer is basically just a
> bonus. I really just don't want to type array() twenty-five times in the
> same data structure.
>
> PS: That is not to say that I wouldn't love named parameters; I would ado=
re
> them. I can't count how many times I've thought that a router would benef=
it
> enormously from being able to do that. However, using an array instead
> worked fine - and that is cool.
>
> - M.
>
> On 6/1/2011 8:01 AM, Arvids Godjuks wrote:
>>
>> My personal feel about this is that yes, short arrays are not bad, but
>> things like
>>
>> $a =3D new A;
>> $a[array()];
>>
>> just scare the crap of me when I see them. To me PHP is easy on syntax
>> and it's good. When I see Ruby or Python code with all it's crazy
>> magic I feel sick. Still one day I will have to learn one, but that
>> doesn't mean PHP should go that way too (i'm not alien to system
>> languages, I had some practice with Pascal, Delphi& =A0C some years ago,
>> just wanted to go the WEB path so migrated to PHP).
>>
>> If it's not too much, it would be good to avoid such strange
>> constructs at all, because people are mean and they tend to do bad
>> things in code.
>>
>
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