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Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:48:46 +0300
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To: Patrick ALLAERT <patrick.allaert@gmail.com>
Cc: Brian Moon <brian@moonspot.net>, PHP internals <internals@lists.php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Short syntax for Arrays (redux)
From: arvids.godjuks@gmail.com (Arvids Godjuks)

Holly crap, god save us from that.

+1 on short syntax (personally I try to avoid it in JS too - I use new
Array() or JSON), but no : please. It's just ridiculous for PHP.

2011/6/1 Patrick ALLAERT <patrick.allaert@gmail.com>:
> 2011/5/31 Brian Moon <brian@moonspot.net>:
>> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/shortsyntaxforarrays
>>
>> Since this was brought again recently by Rasmus
>> (http://markmail.org/message/fx3brcm4ekh645se) and on Twitter where seve=
ral
>> people including Andi chimed in on it and Ilia seemed to reverse his
>> thoughts as well (with caveats), I thought I would start a real thread a=
bout
>> it. The reason the RFC stalled was stated as:
>>
>> "This patch will not be accepted because slight majority of the core
>> developers voted against. Though if you take a accumulated mean between =
core
>> developers and userland votes seems to show the opposite it would be
>> irresponsible to submit a patch witch is not supported or maintained in =
the
>> long run."
>>
>> So, the PHP users want it, but too many PHP core devs did not want it or=
 did
>> not see the use of it. From rereading the mailing list archive, most had=
 the
>> tone of "I don't see a reason for it." I was in that camp in 2003 when i=
t
>> first came up. However, with the emergence of JSON and systems that use =
JSON
>> as an interface, this type of syntax would be most welcome in the day to=
 day
>> life of a PHP developer.
>>
>> I would prefer (as Rasmus pointed out) not to start a long discussion ab=
out
>> it. Primarily I would be curious if anyone on the lists (from the RFC wi=
ki
>> page) below would like to change your vote or if you are not listed belo=
w
>> and would like to be counted, that would be great too.
>>
>> PHP SVN account holder voters
>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>> Pro: Andrei Zmievski, Andi Gutmans, Pierre Joye, Rasmus Lerdorf, Stanisl=
av
>> Malyshev, Brian Moon, Kalle Sommer Nielsen, Edin Kadribasic
>>
>> Contra: Antony Dovgal, Derick Rethans, Jani Taskinen, Lokrain, Felipe Pe=
na,
>> Lukas Kahwe Smith, Marcus Boerger, David Soria Parra, Johannes Schl=C3=
=BCter,
>> Maciek Sokolewicz, Philip Olson, Ilia Alshanetsky, Daniel Brown, Jochem
>> Maas, Hannes Magnusson, David Coallier
>>
>>
>> Other voters
>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>> Pro: Sebastian Deutsch, Ryusuke Sekiyama, Stefan Marr, Alexey Zakhlestin=
,
>> Carl P. Corliss, Darius Jahandarie, Giedrius D, Eric Coleman, Max Antono=
v,
>> Mike Ford, Larry Garfield, Sam Barrow, Taylor Luk, Hans Ahlin, Karoly
>> Negyesi, Guilherme Blanco, Jonathan-Bond Caron
>>
>> Contra: Geoffrey Sneddon, Tomi Kaistila, David Z=C3=BChlke
>>
>>
>> --
>> Brian.
>> http://brian.moonspot.net
>>
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>
> @Zend
>
> Suggestion for the Zend PHP 5.4 Certification:
> Which of the following constructs are valid:
> $array =3D [3 =3D> [42], 'foo': array( 'orange' =3D> 'juice'), 'bar' =3D>=
 'apple'];
> $array =3D [3 =3D> [42], 'foo': array( 'orange' : 'juice'), 'bar' : 'appl=
e'];
> $array =3D [[3] =3D> 42, 'foo': array( 'orange' =3D> 'juice'), 'bar' =3D>=
 'apple'];
> {$array =3D [3 =3D> [42], 'foo': array( 'orange' =3D> 'juice'), 'bar' =3D=
> 'apple'];}
>
> :)
>
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