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Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 10:46:02 +0200
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To: Brian Moon <brian@moonspot.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Short syntax for Arrays (redux)
From: patrickallaert@php.net (Patrick ALLAERT)

2011/5/31 Brian Moon <brian@moonspot.net>:
> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/shortsyntaxforarrays
>
> Since this was brought again recently by Rasmus
> (http://markmail.org/message/fx3brcm4ekh645se) and on Twitter where sever=
al
> people including Andi chimed in on it and Ilia seemed to reverse his
> thoughts as well (with caveats), I thought I would start a real thread ab=
out
> it. The reason the RFC stalled was stated as:
>
> "This patch will not be accepted because slight majority of the core
> developers voted against. Though if you take a accumulated mean between c=
ore
> developers and userland votes seems to show the opposite it would be
> irresponsible to submit a patch witch is not supported or maintained in t=
he
> long run."
>
> So, the PHP users want it, but too many PHP core devs did not want it or =
did
> not see the use of it. From rereading the mailing list archive, most had =
the
> tone of "I don't see a reason for it." I was in that camp in 2003 when it
> first came up. However, with the emergence of JSON and systems that use J=
SON
> as an interface, this type of syntax would be most welcome in the day to =
day
> life of a PHP developer.
>
> I would prefer (as Rasmus pointed out) not to start a long discussion abo=
ut
> it. Primarily I would be curious if anyone on the lists (from the RFC wik=
i
> page) below would like to change your vote or if you are not listed below
> and would like to be counted, that would be great too.
>
> PHP SVN account holder voters
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> Pro: Andrei Zmievski, Andi Gutmans, Pierre Joye, Rasmus Lerdorf, Stanisla=
v
> Malyshev, Brian Moon, Kalle Sommer Nielsen, Edin Kadribasic

+1 (patrickallaert)
I wasn't present during 1st vote.

> Contra: Antony Dovgal, Derick Rethans, Jani Taskinen, Lokrain, Felipe Pen=
a,
> Lukas Kahwe Smith, Marcus Boerger, David Soria Parra, Johannes Schl=C3=BC=
ter,
> Maciek Sokolewicz, Philip Olson, Ilia Alshanetsky, Daniel Brown, Jochem
> Maas, Hannes Magnusson, David Coallier
>
>
> Other voters
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> Pro: Sebastian Deutsch, Ryusuke Sekiyama, Stefan Marr, Alexey Zakhlestin,
> Carl P. Corliss, Darius Jahandarie, Giedrius D, Eric Coleman, Max Antonov=
,
> Mike Ford, Larry Garfield, Sam Barrow, Taylor Luk, Hans Ahlin, Karoly
> Negyesi, Guilherme Blanco, Jonathan-Bond Caron
>
> Contra: Geoffrey Sneddon, Tomi Kaistila, David Z=C3=BChlke
>
>
> --
> Brian.
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