Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:52596 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 14502 invoked from network); 31 May 2011 22:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 31 May 2011 22:00:00 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=mike503@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=mike503@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.214.42 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: mike503@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.214.42 mail-bw0-f42.google.com Received: from [209.85.214.42] ([209.85.214.42:36030] helo=mail-bw0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id B4/01-25701-FD465ED4 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 18:00:00 -0400 Received: by bwz18 with SMTP id 18so4495834bwz.29 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 14:59:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bxjF4ngV4TrvLmCuNXlBCGFhy4EzpfSBOm0wWE5kkvc=; b=HSjKxWJCJPDSClxyKrFgGbK9Q2D7AORHKhzKYlBzoSDkOUV9/m+SblmNLsbI8GnIhA 2qlQOLlLD6IEUy2TQN4EJ8MyPE1OYH9QdWpppaKFQZ2Vf0zhMtM8U90aFJBEOrWAYACs dE/Ie1MB0KSEDzHAXyBfaS02kAgCZ3lcKjRT4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=nGy+xZT9vrTPcy0asDndQTLcDNrha6roVTkOmUfte4Y2FBsCpq15SnRfXVDUQZdV0+ 3ke+eqQJD989NkCjyR+YTj/KH1lb92lm7weOzti11y1BHdsp5anImXANgmG7yoBZHouo zL2Ugf06n6PRdl0cd+YhoMQ8BhFu/UBkEsACg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.37.2 with SMTP id tc2mr6248910bkb.14.1306879196353; Tue, 31 May 2011 14:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.140.16 with HTTP; Tue, 31 May 2011 14:59:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4DE5368A.6050603@moonspot.net> <2BFFEAC1-395E-4101-9452-002E63DCFD91@seancoates.com> <4DE55AB7.9050206@lerdorf.com> <4DE55CDA.302@sugarcrm.com> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 14:59:56 -0700 Message-ID: To: PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Short syntax for Arrays (redux) From: mike503@gmail.com (Michael Shadle) Forgive me for injecting my $.02 here but what is the original reason for changing the most basic language syntax to be a little bit shorter? Is it hurting anyone to type out "array()" or something? I think it is silly that "shortening array syntax" is up for discussion but ensuring Unicode compatibility isn't a higher priority. Not to mention named parameters in functions. Or Consistent naming for functions str_* vs str*, needle/haystack ordering, etc. If you're wanting to augment or change fundamentals of the language why not clean some stuff up there first?