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Subject: Re: RFC: Short syntax for Arrays (redux)
From: fgm@osinet.fr (fgm)

Voting in favor of a short syntax, as a mostly userland dev, seems a  =

no-brainer, but both suggested syntaxes and patches are rather unnatural=
:  =

they attempt to mimic JSON syntax, but do not go the whole way.

The second syntax, possibly more natural to PHP devs, might well be more=
  =

trouble than it is worth, though, as it is quite close to the existing  =

()-braced format, only with [], thus possibly disturbing new users of th=
e  =

language. The first syntax, being more remote from the normal array()  =

initializer format, might well be less disturbing. But in that case, it =
 =

might just as well be completely handle a complete JSON initialization  =

format, without the need for a json_decode().


Le Tue, 31 May 2011 20:42:18 +0200, Brian Moon <brian@moonspot.net> a  =

=C3=A9crit:

> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/shortsyntaxforarrays
>
> Since this was brought again recently by Rasmus  =

> (http://markmail.org/message/fx3brcm4ekh645se) and on Twitter where  =

> several people including Andi chimed in on it and Ilia seemed to rever=
se  =

> his thoughts as well (with caveats), I thought I would start a real  =

> thread about it. The reason the RFC stalled was stated as:
>
> "This patch will not be accepted because slight majority of the core  =

> developers voted against. Though if you take a accumulated mean betwee=
n  =

> core developers and userland votes seems to show the opposite it would=
  =

> be irresponsible to submit a patch witch is not supported or maintaine=
d  =

> in the long run."
>
> So, the PHP users want it, but too many PHP core devs did not want it =
or  =

> did not see the use of it. From rereading the mailing list archive, mo=
st  =

> had the tone of "I don't see a reason for it." I was in that camp in  =

> 2003 when it first came up. However, with the emergence of JSON and  =

> systems that use JSON as an interface, this type of syntax would be mo=
st  =

> welcome in the day to day life of a PHP developer.
>
> I would prefer (as Rasmus pointed out) not to start a long discussion =
 =

> about it. Primarily I would be curious if anyone on the lists (from th=
e  =

> RFC wiki page) below would like to change your vote or if you are not =
 =

> listed below and would like to be counted, that would be great too.
>
> PHP SVN account holder voters
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> Pro: Andrei Zmievski, Andi Gutmans, Pierre Joye, Rasmus Lerdorf,  =

> Stanislav Malyshev, Brian Moon, Kalle Sommer Nielsen, Edin Kadribasic
>
> Contra: Antony Dovgal, Derick Rethans, Jani Taskinen, Lokrain, Felipe =
 =

> Pena, Lukas Kahwe Smith, Marcus Boerger, David Soria Parra, Johannes  =

> Schl=C3=BCter, Maciek Sokolewicz, Philip Olson, Ilia Alshanetsky, Dani=
el  =

> Brown, Jochem Maas, Hannes Magnusson, David Coallier
>
>
> Other voters
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> Pro: Sebastian Deutsch, Ryusuke Sekiyama, Stefan Marr, Alexey  =

> Zakhlestin, Carl P. Corliss, Darius Jahandarie, Giedrius D, Eric  =

> Coleman, Max Antonov, Mike Ford, Larry Garfield, Sam Barrow, Taylor Lu=
k,  =

> Hans Ahlin, Karoly Negyesi, Guilherme Blanco, Jonathan-Bond Caron
>
> Contra: Geoffrey Sneddon, Tomi Kaistila, David Z=C3=BChlke
>
>


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