Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:52325 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 24616 invoked from network); 11 May 2011 21:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 May 2011 21:10:36 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=philip@roshambo.org; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=philip@roshambo.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain roshambo.org from 209.85.210.170 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: philip@roshambo.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.210.170 mail-iy0-f170.google.com Received: from [209.85.210.170] ([209.85.210.170:63760] helo=mail-iy0-f170.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id EB/C6-25254-B4BFACD4 for ; Wed, 11 May 2011 17:10:36 -0400 Received: by iyb12 with SMTP id 12so830689iyb.29 for ; Wed, 11 May 2011 14:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.145.130 with SMTP id f2mr710987icv.325.1305148233449; Wed, 11 May 2011 14:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.138] ([67.137.12.10]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gy41sm176041ibb.56.2011.05.11.14.10.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 11 May 2011 14:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <4DCADA70.7080505@sugarcrm.com> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 15:10:29 -0600 Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Johannes_Schl=FCter?= , Andi Gutmans , PHP Internals Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <41C30BEF-CC30-4A32-A8FB-2B8A6132804C@roshambo.org> References: <4DC729EE.9090600@sugarcrm.com> <8757232E56758B42B2EE4F9D2CA019C901401CB0@US-EX2.zend.net> <1305138029.2232.9.camel@guybrush> <691BF1CD-66E1-4123-AA98-A205A5E67F78@roshambo.org> <4DCADA70.7080505@sugarcrm.com> To: Stas Malyshev X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 again From: philip@roshambo.org (Philip Olson) On May 11, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! >=20 >> Waiting a month or two longer is worth it, especially considering the >> 5.4 momentum feels real this time around. We're creating a real TODO, >> and have a real tentative timeline, so forcing a premature alpha at >> this point (thus closing off feature/api discussion) is a bad idea. A >> big -1 here. I mean, we may as well get it right since we've waited >> so long already. >=20 > I don't think it's closing feature discussion. We can have another = alpha after the discussion, or more than one. I can see the value of = having _something_ right now to signify we mean it this time, but that = something would definitely not be anything near final and we can take = features in after the discussion is done. The alpha release proposal by Andi contains the text: "I think we (almost) all agree that we need to start pushing PHP 5.4 = with all the goodness that has been developed "to-date". Additional = features can wait for the next version." So, that's the concern there. But if the alpha is simply a trick to = convince people to test out a specific PHP 5.4 snapshot, and feel 5.4 is = real, then do it. ;) Regards, Philip