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Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 14:17:27 -0500
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To: Rasmus Lerdorf <rasmus@lerdorf.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] annotations again
From: dukeofgaming@gmail.com (dukeofgaming)

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On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf <rasmus@lerdorf.com> wrote=
:
>
>
> My main concern is the trickle-down effect a major low-level engine
> addition causes. Your patch is just the tip of the iceberg which will cau=
se
> dozens of people weeks of work to account for the new code all across the
> PHP ecosystem. The most complicated being the opcode cache support which
> really only can be written by a handful of people due to the complexity
> involved. Combine that with the fact that other projects who currently us=
e
> annotations, perhaps not to the level of Doctrine, but still, state that
> they would have a hard time switching to this new approach it becomes rea=
lly
> hard to commit all these people and all this time to this.
>
> We are severely resource-constrained when it comes to people who can writ=
e
> solid low-level C code and we have to be very careful what we ask our
> volunteers to spend their time on. A volunteer developer who isn't excite=
d
> about a feature is going to drag her feet and it will sit solidly at the
> bottom of the priority list for months, if not years. If a key piece of t=
he
> eco-system isn't updated because of this one addition, it means that
> potential PHP 5.4 users may have to wait 6, 12, 18 months before they can
> migrate to the new version.
>
> Therefore, low-level engine changes, syntax additions, or entirely new
> grammars as is the case here, face an uphill battle. If there is a way to
> currently solve the problem without major changes, even if it is an 80%
> solution that will weigh heavily against accepting the new code.
>
> Without broad support and enthusiasm, especially from the people who have
> historically been the ones that write the code and track down and fix the
> bugs, low-level features like this are doomed, no matter how
> well-intentioned they are.


That explanation sheds a lot of light on the general situation, thanks.

Something I wanted to ask =97regarding resources=97 is, is GSOC being lever=
aged
this year in any way?. I'm guessing there could be lots of enthusiasm packe=
d
there, perhanos not that much for C writing, but for clearing the way for C
writers.

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