Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:52316 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 78678 invoked from network); 11 May 2011 18:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 May 2011 18:50:29 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@sugarcrm.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@sugarcrm.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain sugarcrm.com designates 207.97.245.153 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 207.97.245.153 smtp153.iad.emailsrvr.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [207.97.245.153] ([207.97.245.153:42874] helo=smtp153.iad.emailsrvr.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 48/90-10064-47ADACD4 for ; Wed, 11 May 2011 14:50:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp45.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E9B59904A3; Wed, 11 May 2011 14:50:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp45.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: smalyshev-AT-sugarcrm.com) with ESMTPSA id 2AA3E90190; Wed, 11 May 2011 14:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4DCADA70.7080505@sugarcrm.com> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 11:50:24 -0700 Organization: SugarCRM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philip Olson CC: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johannes_Schl=FCter?= , Andi Gutmans , PHP Internals References: <4DC729EE.9090600@sugarcrm.com> <8757232E56758B42B2EE4F9D2CA019C901401CB0@US-EX2.zend.net> <1305138029.2232.9.camel@guybrush> <691BF1CD-66E1-4123-AA98-A205A5E67F78@roshambo.org> In-Reply-To: <691BF1CD-66E1-4123-AA98-A205A5E67F78@roshambo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 again From: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com (Stas Malyshev) Hi! > Waiting a month or two longer is worth it, especially considering the > 5.4 momentum feels real this time around. We're creating a real TODO, > and have a real tentative timeline, so forcing a premature alpha at > this point (thus closing off feature/api discussion) is a bad idea. A > big -1 here. I mean, we may as well get it right since we've waited > so long already. I don't think it's closing feature discussion. We can have another alpha after the discussion, or more than one. I can see the value of having _something_ right now to signify we mean it this time, but that something would definitely not be anything near final and we can take features in after the discussion is done. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/ (408)454-6900 ext. 227