Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:52313 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 69459 invoked from network); 11 May 2011 18:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 May 2011 18:34:05 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=philip@roshambo.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=philip@roshambo.org; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain roshambo.org from 209.85.210.170 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: philip@roshambo.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.210.170 mail-iy0-f170.google.com Received: from [209.85.210.170] ([209.85.210.170:46304] helo=mail-iy0-f170.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id F2/A2-55412-C96DACD4 for ; Wed, 11 May 2011 14:34:05 -0400 Received: by iyb12 with SMTP id 12so694340iyb.29 for ; Wed, 11 May 2011 11:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.62.134 with SMTP id xa6mr3890752icb.369.1305138841857; Wed, 11 May 2011 11:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.138] ([67.137.12.10]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id un1sm116559icb.21.2011.05.11.11.34.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 11 May 2011 11:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 In-Reply-To: <1305138029.2232.9.camel@guybrush> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 12:33:58 -0600 Cc: Andi Gutmans , Stas Malyshev , PHP Internals Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <691BF1CD-66E1-4123-AA98-A205A5E67F78@roshambo.org> References: <4DC729EE.9090600@sugarcrm.com> <8757232E56758B42B2EE4F9D2CA019C901401CB0@US-EX2.zend.net> <1305138029.2232.9.camel@guybrush> To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Johannes_Schl=FCter?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 again From: philip@roshambo.org (Philip Olson) On May 11, 2011, at 12:20 PM, Johannes Schl=FCter wrote: > On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 18:03 +0000, Andi Gutmans wrote: >> Stas, in the past we had alphas. Is there any reason why we wouldn't >> roll one out asap? (revert the typehints stuff and go). >=20 > +1 Waiting a month or two longer is worth it, especially considering the = 5.4 momentum feels real this time around. We're creating a real TODO, = and have a real tentative timeline, so forcing a premature alpha at this = point (thus closing off feature/api discussion) is a bad idea. A big -1 = here. I mean, we may as well get it right since we've waited so long = already. Regards, Philip=