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Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 14:14:30 -0400
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To: Andi Gutmans <andi@zend.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 again
From: ilia@prohost.org (Ilia Alshanetsky)

I think an idea of an alpha right away is a good one. I feel we
definitely have enough "stuff" in HEAD branch right now for 5.4 +/-
few minor changes. It should also be a good boost to getting people on
track that 5.4 is a go.

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Andi Gutmans <andi@zend.com> wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Stas Malyshev [mailto:smalyshev@sugarcrm.com]
>>Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 4:41 PM
>>To: PHP Internals
>>Subject: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 again
>>
>>Hi!
>>
>>I would like to propose the following process (of course, dates can be mo=
ved
>>around, etc. - I consider phase lengths be more important that actual dat=
es, but
>>any of them can be shifted if reason arises) for 5.4:
>>
>>- starting now - nominate features for 5.4 (see https://wiki.php.net/todo=
/php54),
>>discussion on them
>>- May 18 - start voting and debating on features that have no clear conse=
nsus
>>support immediately. On the end of May is also phptek, so we could have s=
ome
>>discussion there about it if needed.
>>- June 15 (a bit more than a month) - alpha, branching of 5_4, open only =
for
>>bugfixes and features in TODO list that are approved and can be done by b=
eta
>>time.
>>- July 20 - beta, bugfixes only (if we add a lot of features, we may want=
 to insert
>>another 1-month alpha period, so far it doesn't look like it but may chan=
ge)
>>- Aug 24 - RC1, then an RC every 2 weeks until stable
>>- Release - somewhere in October or November, depending on the RCs.
>>
>>I think we need to start moving. Not much is happening in 5.4 now as far =
as I can
>>see, and we have a good feature set that is long due to be released.
>
> Stas, in the past we had alphas. Is there any reason why we wouldn't roll=
 one out asap? (revert the typehints stuff and go).
>
> I think we (almost) all agree that we need to start pushing PHP 5.4 with =
all the goodness that has been developed "to-date". Additional features can=
 wait for the next version.
> Any exceptions that are low risk can be evaluated (an additional minor AP=
I, some additional enhancements) but let's get the good work that has been =
done to-date out there vs. allowing feature creep and pushing the timeline =
for another 1-2 years. I think we should start pushing out alpha in paralle=
l to these discussions. Most of them sound like major features which would =
not make PHP 5.4 as any major feature requires plenty of time to mature (an=
d needless to say some of them won't even be accepted).
>
> There is plenty to get excited about in PHP 5.4!
>
> Andi (sending in plaintext. Hope this gets rid of the funky newlines from=
 prior emails)
>
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