Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:52308 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 47323 invoked from network); 11 May 2011 17:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 May 2011 17:18:38 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=arvids.godjuks@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=arvids.godjuks@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.220.170 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: arvids.godjuks@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.170 mail-vx0-f170.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.170] ([209.85.220.170:60995] helo=mail-vx0-f170.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 4A/02-36343-EE4CACD4 for ; Wed, 11 May 2011 13:18:38 -0400 Received: by vxb40 with SMTP id 40so574600vxb.29 for ; Wed, 11 May 2011 10:18:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QqsboVqDD0FzuRg6Tk+HM7CsMzdz1VUwzE3BYsiDQKI=; b=qOW5v4Jg7ATbhBzDzfiVQ2U+//M8baQqXNvCYOsHacxNSO2vCGZa7+AGptbvXn9wJ+ jClzNvTd9daNxK5Q6UyOKKkEzxC177ojGXEiedpGSQfADfO8lWPOjgrzDnPmi0iY6Kx8 /70qlaJrCMIeFk284SYvJRwcJuOCUHt0WnxSI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=b0i9URhXEyJeoq4iMyH+bymXGInGSJCDDE9tXj8f7FC4TQXOebyqaKWuBMNmgDJ41f GVs00mOHffIAyhmLQUz7XPntOKkjoIJftPoAS5VsQRdh6NaNramPH7NeFbLGT7QY6BeK yJ1q8mXwDy/PDpCDhzGP+T+XAB54ffAALVrx4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.178.42 with SMTP id cv10mr3474389vdc.171.1305134315734; Wed, 11 May 2011 10:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.186.230 with HTTP; Wed, 11 May 2011 10:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.186.230 with HTTP; Wed, 11 May 2011 10:18:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4DC729EE.9090600@sugarcrm.com> <4DC75FFF.40008@lerdorf.com> <4DC7A7F0.4000504@sugarcrm.com> <4DC819D0.5010008@lerdorf.com> <3680807C-229A-4889-9181-8953303425EC@stefan-marr.de> <4DC9081C.3020808@php.net> <94F64652-E936-4805-B164-A04FFBB1314A@stefan-marr.de> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 20:18:34 +0300 Message-ID: To: internals@lists.php.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec501612d4606cd04a303433b Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 again From: arvids.godjuks@gmail.com (Arvids Godjuks) --bcaec501612d4606cd04a303433b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Well, maybe it's time to make some decisions and start to spin the wheels? I's quite obvious that annotations are out for next release until they are a docbook/phpDoc style. Personally I do not understand the concept fully, but my vote will definetly go to the docbook/phpdoc variant. Adding a whole new syntax is just crazy. PHP is a scripting language, not the Java/C# and alike, it should stay simple. Period. I hope KISS still is a PHP principle? Sometimes i'm sorry I don't like to do C - it just scared me away in college. Because people here sometimes just do strange things witch tend me to beleve that they do not know the PHP - they know C and try to add things they know from other languages so they don't have to learn the PHP way of doing things. Till the typehint threads and annotation threads i liked the core developer responces and the way php has been heading. Can we keep that and stop discussing things that are 100% alien to php like strict type hinting? in php? are you insane? same with annotations. wana do them? do them simple. docbook/phpdoc annotations allready exist - work out a standart and implement - clean, simple, fast and all ready exists within community. It's a no brainer. Same with features that have been worked on and forgotten. Revisit, finish and people will like it - there are thing people ask and thouse aren't annotations right now. Community wants typehints and a bunch of stuff from that RFC page. I hope a spark of reason and sanity will ignight and the procces will start in a few days, or PHP will be seriously screwed in a few years and i will have to make python my primary web development language and i don't wana do that. Arvids. --bcaec501612d4606cd04a303433b--