Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:52274 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 46422 invoked from network); 11 May 2011 07:45:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 May 2011 07:45:25 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rasmus@lerdorf.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rasmus@lerdorf.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lerdorf.com from 209.85.212.173 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rasmus@lerdorf.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.212.173 mail-px0-f173.google.com Received: from [209.85.212.173] ([209.85.212.173:54152] helo=mail-px0-f173.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 8C/00-45512-49E3ACD4 for ; Wed, 11 May 2011 03:45:24 -0400 Received: by pxi16 with SMTP id 16so194589pxi.32 for ; Wed, 11 May 2011 00:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.58.229 with SMTP id u5mr3552145pbq.155.1305099920817; Wed, 11 May 2011 00:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.200.53] (c-76-126-236-132.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.126.236.132]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x8sm5351083pbp.27.2011.05.11.00.45.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 11 May 2011 00:45:19 -0700 (PDT) References: <4DC729EE.9090600@sugarcrm.com> <4DC75FFF.40008@lerdorf.com> <4DC7A7F0.4000504@sugarcrm.com> <4DC819D0.5010008@lerdorf.com> <4DC81ED6.1050902@sugarcrm.com> <8757232E56758B42B2EE4F9D2CA019C9013F9F59@US-EX2.zend.net> <4DCA2192.4080201@lsces.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 8H7) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-375202564 Message-ID: Cc: Lester Caine , PHP internals X-Mailer: iPad Mail (8H7) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 00:45:12 -0700 To: dukeofgaming Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] annotations again From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) --Apple-Mail-1-375202564 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > This is another thing that troubles me when I read this list. How does the= > PHP core dev community sets priorities?, is there some sort of roadmap?, i= s > there a process to create this roadmap?, or is it just all a generalized > best intention to do things. >=20 > I'm aware that the more features the more has to be maintained, but, what I= > see is that there is lot of potential for the core dev community to grow a= nd > at its current state it doesn't seem to be able scale due to the lack of a= > roadmap/process. >=20 > I'm not trying to be a douche here, just saying: I see lots of criticism > towards everything and very few agreements. >=20 The roadmap is in the form of a feature list which you can find at wiki.php.= net/etc There is never going to be complete agreement on any feature, but once there= is enough agreement from the main stakeholders in a certain feature and the= implementation looks feasible both from a technical perspective and from ac= tually having someone willing to do the work, it gets assigned to a release.= In the case of annotations there were some serious stakeholders, like Matthe= w, Sebastian and others who really do understand what annotations are and wh= y they are needed, but they did not agree with the proposed approach. That's= why we have the RFCs and that's why these discussions flare up around relea= se time. It triggers people to take a really serious look at a feature to se= e how it would work for them. And yes there is a lot of noise. You will see quite a few uninformed opinion= s, and a few informed ones. We have always kept things completely open for a= nyone to have their say. This openness gives people access, but it also ofte= n gives people the sense that there is complete chaos. We are not .Net. -Rasmus= --Apple-Mail-1-375202564--