Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:52259 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 77767 invoked from network); 10 May 2011 20:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 May 2011 20:29:19 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=christopher.jones@oracle.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=christopher.jones@oracle.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain oracle.com from 148.87.113.121 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: christopher.jones@oracle.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 148.87.113.121 rcsinet10.oracle.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [148.87.113.121] ([148.87.113.121:37215] helo=rcsinet10.oracle.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id DE/54-04851-D10A9CD4 for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 16:29:18 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p4AKTCTb028479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 May 2011 20:29:14 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p4AKTCni027584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 10 May 2011 20:29:12 GMT Received: from abhmt020.oracle.com (abhmt020.oracle.com [141.146.116.29]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p4AKT6Da001208; Tue, 10 May 2011 15:29:06 -0500 Received: from [130.35.68.31] (/130.35.68.31) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 10 May 2011 13:29:06 -0700 Message-ID: <4DC9A011.4060007@oracle.com> Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 13:29:05 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Drak CC: internals@lists.php.net References: <4DC826B1.4090806@lerdorf.com> <4DC82A36.8090604@lerdorf.com> <4DC83401.2090202@sugarcrm.com> <99.15.04851.56069CD4@pb1.pair.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090201.4DC9A01A.00F8:SCFMA922111,ss=1,fgs=0 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] annotations again From: christopher.jones@oracle.com (Christopher Jones) On 05/10/2011 12:37 PM, Drak wrote: > PS - sorry to say this but from the other thread, all this talk of > ecosystems is quite strange and full of FUD. The PHP eco-system > depends on PHP and exists only because of PHP, not the other way > round. If PHP adds a new syntax or new functions, the IDEs have to > support it - it's only logical or they will lose users to another > product which does support PHP properly and in a timely manner. IDE > vendors provide a solution for people who need a PHP IDE so it only > goes to reason surely? Given their scale and userbase I cant see > Beans and Eclipse PDT ignoring new syntax any time soon nor any of the > commercial IDEs like Zend Studio or phpStorm. If they managed with > namespace support I don't see why this would be any different. I feel > like I'm stating the obvious. > From a very narrow technical point of view it may appear obvious but it would lead to a fun paradox that a language feature "for the community" could get designed without thinking about all the users & uses. -- Email: christopher.jones@oracle.com Tel: +1 650 506 8630 Blog: http://blogs.oracle.com/opal/