Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:52254 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 63904 invoked from network); 10 May 2011 19:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 May 2011 19:44:57 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=dukeofgaming@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=dukeofgaming@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.213.42 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: dukeofgaming@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.213.42 mail-yw0-f42.google.com Received: from [209.85.213.42] ([209.85.213.42:64696] helo=mail-yw0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id C1/B1-04851-8B599CD4 for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 15:44:56 -0400 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1so2776821ywh.29 for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 12:44:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=I8nffDbT3BU/3nas03iKIdxGnCUOwXdpy+yXZza7qVA=; b=fDud31GMe4857tEUKykvM7G3grE4n0cHr/sbBs4XVUIGhcW4wsduY6yrzs1gP4wD19 xXmfybi0kTLYIYfV/kqQRbjrCHIc5pCa9nLgtj8FwsfnsyRuX5t7Xy0xaoDNicrzW4nV CcojyvaK81ez5sUUXfBxWigV9bW3wbWYOu5pw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=SqoRgfyXRvBhBUiBAywmmsWwZNHnQ34nS4TNjjCvoxuUayYBdVWXmAvXm1JdCkniQd m0uSn6tZiSHQ7KqX5RyDkQBxw4rUV5W8NbUf4UwybB4842LOSqHB2H3tj9YVnr92/Xoa OCanwqxISvlADzfRaXFgEdaZnXMhjZUwGif2Q= Received: by 10.91.203.5 with SMTP id f5mr6981883agq.178.1305056693165; Tue, 10 May 2011 12:44:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.108.6 with HTTP; Tue, 10 May 2011 12:44:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4DC729EE.9090600@sugarcrm.com> <4DC75FFF.40008@lerdorf.com> <4DC7A7F0.4000504@sugarcrm.com> <4DC819D0.5010008@lerdorf.com> <3680807C-229A-4889-9181-8953303425EC@stefan-marr.de> <4DC9081C.3020808@php.net> Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 14:44:32 -0500 Message-ID: To: Ferenc Kovacs Cc: Arvids Godjuks , internals@lists.php.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636af036f9b9fec04a2f1303f Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 again From: dukeofgaming@gmail.com (dukeofgaming) --001636af036f9b9fec04a2f1303f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > > > On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 9:28 PM, dukeofgaming wrote: > >> >>> so the problem is, that the userland is under-represented in the >>> development, because they usually not present on the mailing list and on >>> irc, where discussions and decisions happen, and they usually have >>> different >>> priorities and expectations about the PHP language than the core devs. >>> to make things worse, they cannot write patches for the core, and the >>> core >>> devs rarely work on something which they don't particularly need or like. >>> >>> and I think that the only option where we can change that, is that us, >>> the >>> php userland devs has to be more active on the mailing lists, irc, bug >>> tracking, writing RFCs etc. >>> >> >> Why not open a Google Groups list?, having every message recorded publicly >> and being easy to join-in I'd bet that the situation would change. I've seen >> it work really well for other open source projects, such as Joomla and >> Symfony. >> >> > you can already do that through http://marc.info/?l=php-internals or the > newsgroup, see http://php.net/mailing-lists.php > albeit google groups is better imho > > Tyrael > Yeah, I forgot to mention that everything is threaded there, so its easier to follow. Regards, David Vega --001636af036f9b9fec04a2f1303f--