Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:52253 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 62327 invoked from network); 10 May 2011 19:42:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 May 2011 19:42:10 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=tyra3l@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=tyra3l@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.215.170 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: tyra3l@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.215.170 mail-ey0-f170.google.com Received: from [209.85.215.170] ([209.85.215.170:41344] helo=mail-ey0-f170.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id F7/51-04851-11599CD4 for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 15:42:10 -0400 Received: by eyf5 with SMTP id 5so1959582eyf.29 for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 12:42:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=P5Ge72amx5vHjRUgVPMZ3EJAfYc3Oji6syPQAilKZ6A=; b=VEyjmImFI73IaitMxZG6cQs9PVYLS4MSw4meakUiCMLT/AK8bWvIGg0Fa4vS9t/x9i dsFQcEPYmfV6LTl4HO3pzznUOkXhMHVGb4ez1DKuPnxHdEufp/I/xFzIm9D7o1X1Dp5B ZpixBvtjbMsoRihIBg+m2uasuuS2aOC0Ucq1s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=TlMr2W7cVDPS+zxf4VsVl1QBykt0K4JN6e0VQt74Yv2z/0w9aYvd8EExctQ9wu0VTH 5T7TXB3iTTIXBA9ULNW+D+JV9FRIuUEQda4msjm3uL9S/3Uw/t9fowaMLcVpv1dMnnMP wi/q7CGLequiyaaGl18c8xvj8aF2h8TW447AY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.37.75 with SMTP id x51mr3826367eea.71.1305056523347; Tue, 10 May 2011 12:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Sender: tyra3l@gmail.com Received: by 10.14.127.7 with HTTP; Tue, 10 May 2011 12:42:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4DC729EE.9090600@sugarcrm.com> <4DC75FFF.40008@lerdorf.com> <4DC7A7F0.4000504@sugarcrm.com> <4DC819D0.5010008@lerdorf.com> <3680807C-229A-4889-9181-8953303425EC@stefan-marr.de> <4DC9081C.3020808@php.net> Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 21:42:03 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: kRtDyhfkgm7b0CXXOgg_EZNWDiw Message-ID: To: dukeofgaming Cc: Arvids Godjuks , internals@lists.php.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6154127c685b04a2f12649 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 again From: info@tyrael.hu (Ferenc Kovacs) --90e6ba6154127c685b04a2f12649 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 9:28 PM, dukeofgaming wrote: > >> so the problem is, that the userland is under-represented in the >> development, because they usually not present on the mailing list and on >> irc, where discussions and decisions happen, and they usually have >> different >> priorities and expectations about the PHP language than the core devs. >> to make things worse, they cannot write patches for the core, and the core >> devs rarely work on something which they don't particularly need or like. >> >> and I think that the only option where we can change that, is that us, the >> php userland devs has to be more active on the mailing lists, irc, bug >> tracking, writing RFCs etc. >> > > Why not open a Google Groups list?, having every message recorded publicly > and being easy to join-in I'd bet that the situation would change. I've seen > it work really well for other open source projects, such as Joomla and > Symfony. > > you can already do that through http://marc.info/?l=php-internals or the newsgroup, see http://php.net/mailing-lists.php albeit google groups is better imho Tyrael --90e6ba6154127c685b04a2f12649--