Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:52248 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 53394 invoked from network); 10 May 2011 19:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 May 2011 19:31:55 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=guilhermeblanco@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=guilhermeblanco@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.161.170 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: guilhermeblanco@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.161.170 mail-gx0-f170.google.com Received: from [209.85.161.170] ([209.85.161.170:40789] helo=mail-gx0-f170.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 32/6F-04851-AA299CD4 for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 15:31:54 -0400 Received: by gxk27 with SMTP id 27so2853187gxk.29 for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 12:31:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Yd/9vySU3cm2T4m0BLv9I0xj7NGEZIte+C8H12i3uNA=; b=ZUneyrjwvrBEmeSVqtb8Y7KSzt/VpKLyc3jo7KFJWvOHAejHyOkp6yFcRPdQZ22NBj snWn06acsF6mUHC4Ui9hEeHx4hlRWT5E749lxwjOfsJ40vzz8eaOM0Giu3QlTnQ+h8j3 z1hO+5QvrrirGzskocqANX9HoPC3T1YD+Zn8Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=q9qrq9V7ZDzoPWz5sRQ7cnyB0Cag8nldqAmMpXG2nsOT82L/1nLbFMrs7unnH2N8nv rrKGac756aKWaUYKisiuQd8k3x7goHEAUL8Me8WaG+l4SiIQGUYk4JXmAXcilCKrKyKF lAIEapwfwqrf8mWuAtI1Rx7+Y7BopHuZ4CzVg= Received: by 10.236.183.194 with SMTP id q42mr10007647yhm.43.1305055912101; Tue, 10 May 2011 12:31:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.147.171.4 with HTTP; Tue, 10 May 2011 12:31:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4DC729EE.9090600@sugarcrm.com> <4DC75FFF.40008@lerdorf.com> <4DC7A7F0.4000504@sugarcrm.com> <4DC819D0.5010008@lerdorf.com> <3680807C-229A-4889-9181-8953303425EC@stefan-marr.de> <4DC9081C.3020808@php.net> Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:31:32 -0300 Message-ID: To: dukeofgaming Cc: Ferenc Kovacs , Arvids Godjuks , internals@lists.php.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 again From: guilhermeblanco@gmail.com ("guilhermeblanco@gmail.com") Hi all, Based on an extensive chat with Matthew, I think we reached some consensus. I'll write another RFC related to Annotations in docblocks, then we can chat until reach some standardization and availability. Regards, On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 4:28 PM, dukeofgaming wrot= e: >> >> >> so the problem is, that the userland is under-represented in the >> development, because they usually not present on the mailing list and on >> irc, where discussions and decisions happen, and they usually have >> different >> priorities and expectations about the PHP language than the core devs. >> to make things worse, they cannot write patches for the core, and the co= re >> devs rarely work on something which they don't particularly need or like= . >> >> and I think that the only option where we can change that, is that us, t= he >> php userland devs has to be more active on the mailing lists, irc, bug >> tracking, writing RFCs etc. >> > > Why not open a Google Groups list?, having every message recorded publicl= y > and being easy to join-in I'd bet that the situation would change. I've s= een > it work really well for other open source projects, such as Joomla and > Symfony. > > Regards, > > David Vega > --=20 Guilherme Blanco Mobile: +55 (16) 9215-8480 MSN: guilhermeblanco@hotmail.com S=C3=A3o Paulo - SP/Brazil