Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:52247 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 51315 invoked from network); 10 May 2011 19:28:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 May 2011 19:28:49 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=dukeofgaming@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=dukeofgaming@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.161.170 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: dukeofgaming@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.161.170 mail-gx0-f170.google.com Received: from [209.85.161.170] ([209.85.161.170:49880] helo=mail-gx0-f170.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id B9/EE-04851-FE199CD4 for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 15:28:49 -0400 Received: by gxk27 with SMTP id 27so2851964gxk.29 for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 12:28:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=pAUkAIfwEf0o2aCeirCbeJQuGdI4Wrn6IRQZbhEsrhI=; b=PlPWMYfQvjw7QwsV2lRcuwgK2EwOE6CCpauvCD2bTGRf1nzoQwyO9aWWlvOkFEno+K gbftkfqVNE0fLj3VVEKkG4Lnm57bl2/JmZcg/377fcAkpGfqYr7p6Xwectu2FHKBoUuw 2QoTgt/Edtzjbwp0whhZDS91NVGbXyV6mx1p4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=viJ5wdzNRLtNbBsfq78jRAwqdAD7vS6/uurAdfEwRxl9VkAx7QUATabI2jGxGiIWiU 7+UkpJBdFmfLa9lzp2l2UoN3CQzJ5c6ylhn/SFRxZRTQRXhOgizF6yoiasCcoiLkuP/+ TdXs9GnpgknqZZEBkSUx/GFstB/sV/1hVN10A= Received: by 10.91.201.1 with SMTP id d1mr7135702agq.205.1305055724144; Tue, 10 May 2011 12:28:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.108.6 with HTTP; Tue, 10 May 2011 12:28:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4DC729EE.9090600@sugarcrm.com> <4DC75FFF.40008@lerdorf.com> <4DC7A7F0.4000504@sugarcrm.com> <4DC819D0.5010008@lerdorf.com> <3680807C-229A-4889-9181-8953303425EC@stefan-marr.de> <4DC9081C.3020808@php.net> Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 14:28:23 -0500 Message-ID: To: Ferenc Kovacs Cc: Arvids Godjuks , internals@lists.php.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636af00acd9895004a2f0f624 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 again From: dukeofgaming@gmail.com (dukeofgaming) --001636af00acd9895004a2f0f624 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > so the problem is, that the userland is under-represented in the > development, because they usually not present on the mailing list and on > irc, where discussions and decisions happen, and they usually have > different > priorities and expectations about the PHP language than the core devs. > to make things worse, they cannot write patches for the core, and the core > devs rarely work on something which they don't particularly need or like. > > and I think that the only option where we can change that, is that us, the > php userland devs has to be more active on the mailing lists, irc, bug > tracking, writing RFCs etc. > Why not open a Google Groups list?, having every message recorded publicly and being easy to join-in I'd bet that the situation would change. I've seen it work really well for other open source projects, such as Joomla and Symfony. Regards, David Vega --001636af00acd9895004a2f0f624--