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Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 13:47:14 -0300
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To: "Matthew Weier O'Phinney" <weierophinney@php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] annotations again
From: guilhermeblanco@gmail.com ("guilhermeblanco@gmail.com")

Hi Matthew,

There's just one reason that it cannot be possible to do inside docblocks:
- Code with and without comments should act the same.

Also, no matter if it's inside docblocks or not, we'd still have a new
syntax. No matter what you do. Even a key =3D> value is a new syntax.
But it seems that none notice what I've been trying to express with
the patch: key =3D> value is not enough.
Doctrine and Symfony are 2 projects that requires more than key/value
support, because annotations declaration requires state, something not
possible with k/v.

Anyway, someone asked me previously if other languages support
"complex" annotations like I suggest, my answer is YES and I even
included in RFC the links to .NET and Java implementation examples.

Cheers,

On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney
<weierophinney@php.net> wrote:
> On 2011-05-10, Drak <drak@zikula.org> wrote:
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>> On 10 May 2011 09:27, Mike Willbanks <pencap@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I would argue that the introduction of this into the core is adding
>> > more feature bloat into the language that is not quite needed at
>> > this point.
>>
>> Annotations cannot be considered bloat because are being used
>> increasingly everywhere that is a clear indication that they are
>> required as part of the PHP core as much as many of the Spl classes.
>> It should be clear by now that the PHP community really do want
>> annotations.
>
> Can you back this up, please?
>
> Just because developers are using annotations does not necessarily mean
> we need a new syntax.
>
>> At this stage, if someone has done the work to make this
>> happen, the discussion really should be more about polishing that
>> contribution and making sure it provides a robust solution to this
>> feature than trying to postpone or find reasons to put this off.
>
> I've gone on record as stating that annotations within docblocks are
> sufficient, and would rather see native support for parsing docblocks
> for annotations than introducing a new syntax. Others have stated the
> same. I'd like to see why a new syntax is considered "necessary", and
> why native support for docblock annotations is not considered a
> reasonable path.
>
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